Re: [egov] OASIS E-GOV TC : ebXML Messaging BALLOT RESULT (fwd)

["Karl F. Best" <karl.best@oasis-open.org>]

Jon Bosak's comment is correct for Robert's Rules, but Robert's in this 
case is superceded by what the OASIS TC Process says at 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#voting

"For the purposes of electronic voting, a vote is valid only when a 
majority of TC members who are eligible at the beginning of the vote 
have cast ballots, and a majority (or super majority, when required) of 
the ballots cast will decide the issue."

-Karl





> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 20:57:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: jon.bosak@sun.com
> To: egov@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [egov] OASIS E-GOV TC :  ebXML Messaging BALLOT RESULT
> 
> I didn't vote on Graham's paper because I was taking time off from
> email to recover from a long trip and assumed that it would meet
> with no opposition -- an assumption that turned out to be correct.
> I would guess that I was not alone in this.
> 
> The problem here lies not with the vote (which was obviously a
> vote to approve the document -- 15 to 0 is a pretty clear
> decision) but rather with the criterion used to establish the
> outcome.  This was a decision calling for a simple majority, which
> is defined as a majority *of those voting*.  By this criterion,
> the question passed.
> 
> Instead, we appear to be requiring a majority of the entire group
> to make a decision, which is quite unusual in a normal
> parliamentary process such as the one we are supposed to be using
> (Robert's) and is contrary to the process that would be used if we
> were meeting in person.
> 
> I suggest that we declare this document approved and move on.
> 
> Jon
> 
>    From: John.Borras@e-Envoy.gsi.gov.uk
>    Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:04:44 +0000
> 
>    It is with great regret that I have to tell you that  we did not reach 
>    quorum on the recent ballot on Graham Beaver's document.  Only 15 out of 
>    41 members took the time to vote.   I won't name and shame those who 
>    didn't vote.
> 
>    This I find deeply disappointing, firstly for Graham and the excellent 
>    effort he put into the document, and secondly for the future of our TC. 
>    This was our first ballot and we fell at the first hurdle.  That doesn't 
>    inspire confidence for our future work.   Hopefully this will turn out to 
>    be just teething troubles and once we all get the hang of voting then 
>    we'll be OK in future.   If not well.......
> 
>    I'm going to re-run this ballot and also put up a ballot on Eliot's 
>    Interoperability Services paper.   Please take the time to vote this time. 
> 
> 
>    John
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>    <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">It is with great regret that I have
>    to tell you that &nbsp;we did not reach quorum on the recent ballot on
>    Graham Beaver's document. &nbsp;Only 15 out of 41 members took the time
>    to vote. &nbsp; I won't name and shame those who didn't vote.</font>
>    <br>
>    <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">This I find deeply disappointing, firstly
>    for Graham and the excellent effort he put into the document, and secondly
>    for the future of our TC. &nbsp; This was our first ballot and we fell
>    at the first hurdle. &nbsp;That doesn't inspire confidence for our future
>    work. &nbsp; Hopefully this will turn out to be just teething troubles
>    and once we all get the hang of voting then we'll be OK in future. &nbsp;
>    If not well.......</font>
>    <br>
>    <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I'm going to re-run this ballot and
>    also put up a ballot on Eliot's Interoperability Services paper. &nbsp;
>    </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><b>Please take the time to vote this
>    time. </b></font>
>    <br>
>    <br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">John</font>
> 
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