David,
Very well written !
I feel it is time to explain the needed hybrid way of thinking by help
of
Template processing and why we need to differ between Services
and Processes.
A service is a combination of reusable processes expressed in loosely
coupled applications
( ebXML and WS).
Service is the SOA approach and Processes is the TOA approach. TOA(Technology
Oriented Architecture) is the
Technology and Platform dependent architecture exposing the loosely
coupled
applications in underlaying systems being used in a top level
superportal with the SOA business modelling. ( see the attached slide
in sequence
)
The SOA approach is based on user understandable business modelling
services by
help of BCM templates organizing and orchestrating loosely coupled
applications.
I think it would be smart to introduce the OASIS eGov TC for the
Scandinavian program with a Superportal handling Public
Supervision &
Quality Assurance ( PSQA-program) in the EPR-forum. (
www.eprforum.no )
Best regards
Hans A. Kielland Aanesen
Co-founder EPR-forum
Co-chair OASIS BCM-EPR SC
Would it not be smart
David RR Webber (XML) wrote:
Anders,
All is not gloom and doom however. Yes there have been
mis-steps - but people are learning from those and new RFPs coming out
do reflect the realization that when government pays to develop major
new systems they have to be using broadly re-usable technology that
does adher to open standards, open license / source and be heavily
rule driven and scriptable / configurable via XML mechanisms. Have
we really built one of these yet? Not yet - but I do see legacy
systems that have aspects that we can point to.
Also people need to stop trying to solve business problems with
technology tricks without first understanding the real needs and
process models. The OASIS BCM approach can provide people with
vision and answers in a systematic way. The tendency is
always the old adage 'just write code, while I find out what the users
want'. 'Just writing code' runs very deep - we really have not
de-programmed the IT work force itself - from the cradle in the
Universities and schools to on-the-job middle-level project
managers - that's what they are taught and see around them - and
they have a huge jump of faith to make - to go to rule driven XML
enables systems. It's like people doubting that one JCB back-hoe
in two hours can do the same job as 50 men with shovels and
pick-axes can do in two days. Those 50 men are always in there -
working with their shovels - while people are still deciding if they
want to really use the back-hoe for those two days. By the
time they decide they might have, the opportunity is gone.
Expediency and comfort over planning and paradigm shift.
And by-the-way - in case anyone has doubts
-
yes - rule-based XML driven systems do work - developed from
business models and control mechanisms that put the business goals
first - not the reverse - technology driving the business approach
- and we need to focus harder on making the leap - and demanding
these things at the heart of the architecture of new systems.
Meanwhile people are equating SOA to how many WSDLs and XSDs they have
created. Then back in the 'just write code' camp - this is
all being supported by Java, VOs, static DAOs and such - which is the
exact antithesis of an agile dynamic XML-driven environment.
Anders - so when it comes to the security
models - yes - there are a lot of mis-steps too - because people start
from the technology level and some security device based on
machine-level thinking and then attempt to work out to the
business. Not surprisingly this results in tools that real users
deeply mis-trust and shun - and most especially because these end users
are pushed to the edge having zero control over the security methods
and
access themselves. Again what the BCM teaches from the business
side is - you need to start there - with MoUs, and CPAs defining the
roles, responsibilities, policies, constraints and contextual use
models. Once you have that clear - then its a much easier step to
see what technology devices are needed to enable that. Then you
hit the 'just write code' layer - and the ability to have these
overarching views drive the behaviour of the deployed systems
completely evaporates again.
But the contractors team was the
best-value-bid on our evaluation criteria and they have built systems
like this before - so what's not to like? Clue / Hint : the
contractors have small interest in breaking their golden
goose cycle - building bespoke systems that require shovels and
picks to run and cannot be readily extended.
SOA is about way more than WSDL and XSD -
its
about truely shared business mechanisms that have transparency and
agility beyond todays static and brittle interaction models. The
technology tools are there to support this - open source, collaborative
methods, open standards, XML, rule agents, security methods, open
platform development tools - but the transition to these is slowed by
in-grained behaviour models.
The cycle continues and the paradigm shift
is
yet to happen.
DW
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Subject: Re: [egov] FWD - GCN: OMB's Clay Johnson
predicts
e-government's future - 2008 and beyond
From: "Anders
Rundgren" <anders.rundgren@telia.com>
Date: Fri, April 14,
2006 8:11 am
To: "eGov OASIS"
<egov@lists.oasis-open.org>
A comment:
According to leading Federal PKI
spokesmen,
applications based on SOA (Service
Oriented Architectures) are out-of-scope. In my opinion it will
be hard to achieve any major
savings and GPEA adherence unless you have a working, secure SOA or WS scheme in
place. As it current looks, many wheels
will be reinvented over and over, and
each time with a new twist, with
staggering costs and limited interoperability as a likely
result.
The current Federal security
architecture
is focused on person-to-person e-mail using S/MIME, something
which is not even remotely
related to
SOA.
So what is actually missing? The
notion of an application (server) as an initiator and originator of a message. This is the core of
SOA and WS. Naturally PIV-cards
have no
direct function in such a transaction, although there may be a PIV-initiated request in the
beginning
of a chain of WS requests.
I noted at a recent NIST event,
that
the Higher Education PKI (HEPKI), after
years of struggle with their version of the Federal
security architecture, are
beginning to question if it ever will deliver what was envisioned more
than a decade ago, when it was
initially defined.
The financial industry OTOH, have
successfully deployed "SOA-like" schemes since ages back, including on a global scale, and as far as I
can see they don't get hung by the idea that "machines" can do transactions; it is rather this they
strive for.
Anders Rundgren
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006
18:49
Subject: [egov] FWD - GCN: OMB's
Clay
Johnson predicts e-government's future - 2008 and
beyond
FYI
OMB's Clay Johnson predicts e-government's
future
By Jason Miller,
By the time the Bush
administration is out of office in 2008, all the 25
original
E-Government initiatives should be fully implemented.
That is
one White House's goals for the President's Management Agenda
over
its last 2 1/2 years, according to Clay Johnson, the Office
of
Management and Budget's deputy director for management.
"We have demonstrated we can do these things over the past few
years, so
we have to continue to focus on performance," Johnson said
earlier this
week at the 8th annual Government Performance Summit in
Washington
sponsored by The Performance Institute of Arlington, Va.
"We have the
ability to set targets and move to them. We couldn't do
that 10 years
ago."
Additionally, Johnson said he expects the
public to be using 80 percent
to 90 percent of the 25 Quicksilver
projects to their full capabilities
by 2008.
He also said
agencies will fully implement all nine of OMB's Lines of
Business
Consolidation initiatives-budget formulation, case
management,
federal health architecture, financial management, human
resources
management, geospatial, grants management, IT
infrastructure and IT
security-and demonstrate high level of
services for lower costs.
Besides e-government, the
administration expects that Congress will pass
some sort of civil
service modernization, including pay-for-performance,
for every
agency, and that at least 22 Chief Financial Officer Act
agencies
will have unqualified financial audits. He also said
the
administration expects to continue to show savings through
competitive
sourcing competitions, where agencies compete inherently
commercial
positions with the private sector.
Johnson added
that the White House expects to reduce improper payments
by $20
billion and dispose of at least $6 billion in unused real
property
by 2008.
To accomplish many of these tasks, especially
e-government and
competitive sourcing, Johnson admitted that they
need to do a better job
educating lawmakers.
"It is a
mystery to me why we get push-back on the Hill with
e-government,"
Johnson said. "Their comprehension is limited. They think
these are
OMB pet projects we push on agencies, and the projects have no
value
to citizens. They are dumbfounded when I told them what it
really
it."
He added that OMB has not done a good enough job
communicating why these
initiatives are worthwhile.
Of
course, OMB has blamed poor communication for the poor
reception
e-government has received on the Hill for almost five
years, and things
don't seem to be getting better in the short term.
Karen Evans, OMB's
administrator for IT and e-government, said
recently that the recent
mandated report on e-government would help
improve lawmakers'
understanding about these projects.
OMB
will see how the report goes over as Congress weighs in on
the
fiscal 2007 budget request this
summer.
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