Re: [election-services] Defining a trusted voting process - one disabilities concern

["David Webber \(XML\)" <david@drrw.info>]

Paul,

Exactly!

I'm definately wanting to have an international process
standard here.  As you say - each country may have
local differences in procedures, but the overall
trusted process and those checks and balances
need to be there in one form or another.

And we need a reference point for solution providers.

Ultimately OASIS cannot be the sole arbitrar on this,
however I feel that OASIS has the right means to put
something together that others are clearly struggling
with - and then promote this to an ISO or similar.

There is an urgent need to get this body of work
done - and we can clearly partner with other groups
that have already done good work - to be able to
collectively do this.  In anycase that adds considerable
weight to our results.

My sense is if we raise a flag here then that will
bring in these other groups that need to contribute
and validate our deliberations.

Thanks, DW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Spencer" <paul.spencer@boynings.co.uk>
To: <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 5:22 AM
Subject: RE: [election-services] Defining a trusted voting process - one
disabilities concern


> David,
>
> Have you read the EML documents? This is a start on a viable process. At
the
> time, we felt we needed a reference process to help us define the schemas.
> We also felt that this process would vary a lot internationally. However,
> there are certain key points (mainly to do with trust) that can be
> standardised on an international basis.
>
> I would love to see the OASIS E&VSTC get involved in this, but I wonder if
> OASIS is the right place for this. On the other hand, it could be the only
> place that would take a truly international (rather than US-centric) view.
> Also, from a personal view, having spent a considerable time helping get
EML
> to the stage it is, I would like any new initiative to use it.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Spencer
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
> > Sent: 18 February 2005 16:49
> > To: Borras, John
> > Cc: election-services@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: Re: [election-services] Defining a trusted voting process - one
> > disabilities concern
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Sounds good.
> >
> > In the meantime we're enjoying ourselves throwing this around
> > and getting a better understanding of the issues here, the
> > needs - and then ultimately how EML can possibly
> > contribute to this.
> >
> > I'm definately looking for help on this whole notion of
> > a trusted process, how attainable is this, and what
> > would be the potential action items to get there, with
> > a viable V1.0 for OASIS?
> >
> > Thanks, DW
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Borras, John" <John.Borras@legsb.gov.uk>
> > To: "David Webber " <david@drrw.info>; <sibain@tendotzero.com>;
> > <dodds@conmergence.com>
> > Cc: "Paul Spencer" <paul.spencer@boynings.co.uk>;
> > <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:13 AM
> > Subject: RE: [election-services] Defining a trusted voting process - one
> > disabilities concern
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Apologies to all for not getting involved in this discussion and for not
> > replying to David/Simon's earlier enquiry re EML and the OASIS
> > TC.  Life is
> > very hectic here just now with the launch of a new certification
service.
> >
> > I will be organising a meeting of the TC in near future to
> > discuss a number
> > of issues, not least where do we go with EML now that v4 has been
agreed,
> > and we can take this discussion at that meeting - it may provide us with
a
> > future piece of work.
> >
> > So bear with me and I'll play catch up asap.
> >
> > John
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Simon Bain [mailto:sibain@tendotzero.com]
> > Sent: 18 February 2005 14:31
> > To: dodds@conmergence.com
> > Cc: 'Paul Spencer'; 'David Webber ';
> > election-services@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: RE: [election-services] Defining a trusted voting process - one
> > disabilities concern
> >
> >
> > Ed.
> >
> > As somebody who has MS I can only agree with your sentiment. These
issues
> > though I would have thought are for the politicians to ponder, naval
gaze
> > and ultimately probably maybe ignore.
> >
> > The fact of secure voting processes should be open to all however before
> > this is possible a process must be put into place.
> >
> > All the best
> > Simon
> > --
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> >
> > <quote who="Ed Dodds">
> > > FWIW: The discussion I've seen in the disabilities community
> > has been over
> > > the import of the paper receipt. What doesn't seem to be brought up is
> > > that
> > > a lot of polling places aren't accessible -- and even when they
> > are, there
> > > isn't enough accessible transportation to get those with disabilities
to
> > > the
> > > polls. While I praise the ideal of universally accessible polling
places
> > > my
> > > cynicism says they and the paper ballot issue are currently
> > > (functionallly)
> > > being used as a red herring issue put out by those who don't want the
> > > disabilities community to seriously consider UUID voting by the net,
> > > phone,
> > > fax, ATM, IM, email, set top box, what have you -- and as a
> > result -- FWD
> > > are currently unable to vote and would be for the foreseeable
> > future -- if
> > > the transportation issue isn't met -- and there is no political
> > will to do
> > > so -- because folks with disabilities can't vote for it. (Anyone want
to
> > > ride on my vicious cycle? :-))
> > >
> > > Ed Dodds
> > >
> > >>I think paper is a red herring to placate a few Luddites. Far more
> > > important is the issue of intimidation, which applies to many systems
> > > including postal votes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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