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Subject: RE: [election-services] Fw: VIP/EML =?UTF-8?Q?CONVERGENCE=3F?=

Here in the US they have the concept of "pollbook" voter registration systems.  My sense is that it's inside those applications that they do the rules on specific addressing and so on.  This stuff is highly localized and variable  -and I would argue out of scope.
To report the election accurately - I'm not seeing we need to know what specific voters vote where.  We do need to know the precincts and ballots and votes cast within those - and as far as I can see - we have that all covered.

Thanks, DW

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [election-services] Fw: VIP/EML CONVERGENCE?
From: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Fri, July 25, 2008 11:00 am
To: "Zelechoski, Peter" <pzelechoski@essvote.com>
Cc: EML TC <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>

If the precinct was static for all elections, (which I believe you have said previously that they are?), then fine but as you know wards here in UK, which I interpret as the same as precincts, vary from election to election.  Having said that if  we produce a USA localisation of EML we can make the specific link of voter to precinct.

M. +44 (0)7976 157745
Skype: gov3john

----- Original Message ----
From: "Zelechoski, Peter" <pzelechoski@essvote.com>
To: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: EML TC <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Friday, 25 July, 2008 3:41:36 PM
Subject: RE: [election-services] Fw: VIP/EML CONVERGENCE?

John -
A list of polling locations, and a list of precincts (possibly with reference to polling location) are things that would be useful.
For the voter, it might be simplest to add the precinct to the voter roll so that the mapping doesn't rely on anyone's interpretation or knowledge (lack thereof)  of exceptions to map a domicile address to the precinct.
- Peter

From: John Borras [mailto:johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:52 AM
Subject: [election-services] Fw: VIP/EML CONVERGENCE?

This recent exchange seems to confirm to me that we will need some new EML message(s) to handle the linkage between voter address and precinct, and precinct and polling station.  What say you?

M. +44 (0)7976 157745
Skype: gov3john

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Aaron B Strauss <aaronbs@gmail.com>
To: John <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, 25 July, 2008 2:24:22 PM

VIP: only from state EMS's, but not all states have street segment
info.  To come up with a complete, 50-state solution, other third
parties (e.g., Google, Vote411) must rely on other sources such as
public voter files.

Yes, voters input their address -- sorry that I didn't make that clear
in the previous email.


On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 9:17 AM, John <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Aaron
> Where do you collect this additional data from - the State EMS or from
> other sources?
> Having got this additional data how would it be used by the third
> party to answer a voter who didn't know their precinct?  Would the
> voter input their address and the system then have the necessary
> functionality to match that address to a precinct?
> John
> On Jul 25, 2:04 pm, "Aaron B Strauss" <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Most of this is absolutely correct. However, third-party solutions
>> never rely on (potential) voters knowing their precinct in order to
>> find their polling location. VIP's solution to this is to collect
>> three things:
>> 1) A mapping of street segments into precincts.
>> 2) A mapping of precincts into polling locations
>> 3) Information about the polling locations (i.e., address, directions)
>> Other third-parties collect publicly-available voter files (laws on
>> how public vary from state to state) and use the addresses in the
>> voter file to match addresses to precincts to polling locations.
>> Aaron
>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:22 AM, John <johnabor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Aaron/Doug
>> > Following our recent telecon we've been having a few internal
>> > discussions about how we would manipulate EML to meet your needs,
>> > particulary the handling of addresses and geography.  Daivd Webber is
>> > working on a demo solution and we hope to be able to show you that in
>> > the near future.  In the meantime can you clarify some aspects of the
>> > VIP functionality for my benefit at least please.
>> > As I understand it States will provide a subset of data from their EMS
>> > systems to third parties to use in their outlets to the public.  These
>> > subsets of data will not hold any voter information and will only
>> > provide a basic set of functionality to enable the third parties to
>> > answer straight-forward questions or direct voters to the correct
>> > locations for accurate and specific information.
>> > For example to answer the voter's enquiry of " Am I registered to
>> > vote" the third party's system will only provide the URL of the
>> > State's website where that particular question can be answered using
>> > specifc voter credentials.  The third party system will not answer the
>> > question directly as it doesn't hold the voter registration data.
>> > To answer the question "Which polling station do I use" the third
>> > party system will provide a list of polling station(s) for each
>> > precinct and will assume the voter knows which precinct they belong
>> > to.  Basic data about polling station open times will be provided with
>> > the address information.  The third party's system will not provide an
>> > enquiry system that matches the voter's address with the appropriate
>> > polling station.  If the voter doesn't know their precinct they would
>> > be referred to the State's website where that information can be
>> > obtained by an address matching process again using some form of
>> > credential.
>> > Other questions about absentee voting etc will be answered with the
>> > URL of the State's website where that information is avialable.
>> > So am I right to assume that the third parties will only provide basic
>> > data and pointers to authorative sources rather than sophisticated
>> > functionality to do address matching and voter matching?
>> > John
>> >

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