Re: [election-services-comment] PUBLIC REVIEW COMMENTS DISPOSITION

[Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joehall@berkeley.edu>]

Sounds very sensible. best, Joe

On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:57 AM, John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Guys here’s how I see the way forward:
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> 1.       v6.0  - get v6 approved as Committee Spec and then when appropriate
> go for OASIS Standard approval.
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> 2.       IEEE/P1622 – liaise with/support their ongoing efforts
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> 3.       Audit Req’ts – analyze/build a full audit spec as v7.  Start this
> as soon as Neal joins the TC.
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> 4.       Implementation Guidance – produce a range of aids to assist
> first-time developers.  These should definitely not be included as part the
> Spec, they would be what it says just “guidance”.
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> I think much of this can go on in parallel and certainly it doesn’t all have
> to be sequential.  But the order above shows my opinion of priorities.  I’ll
> be kicking off the Committee Spec stage ballot next week and once that is
> out of the way then we can turn our attention to the other aspects and
> sketch out who is going to do what.  We will probably need a TC call after
> the vacation period to get this all together.
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> John
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> From: David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
> Sent: 29 July 2010 22:29
> To: Joseph Lorenzo Hall
> Cc: John Borras; EML TC
> Subject: RE: [election-services] RE: [election-services-comment] PUBLIC
> REVIEW COMMENTS DISPOSITION
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> Joe,
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> Citing Google IMHO here is not very illustrative - they appear to have
> caught the Microsoft disease of "its a standard because we're using it".
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> I recall that we had to engage them - rather than them making any attempt to
> work with us - despite them being in OASIS!
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> But I take the point that generally with any new development - there's a
> choice - go ahead and roll something customer specific - or reach out for
> open standards to leverage.
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> The more quick start resources we can provide people - clearly the better -
> and of course eating our own dog food - primer available:
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>  http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=34490
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> I'm encouraged that we have more adopters more willing to share code and
> examples now - than any time previously.
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> Cheers, DW
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [election-services] RE: [election-services-comment] PUBLIC
> REVIEW COMMENTS DISPOSITION
> From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joehall@berkeley.edu>
> Date: Thu, July 29, 2010 3:38 pm
> To: "David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>
> Cc: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>, EML TC
> <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:07 PM, David RR Webber (XML) <david@drrw.info>
> wrote:
>> I would suggest however when providing more examples - this is best
>> handled
>> outside of the formal specification.
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> I guess the feedback I get here is that "diving into" EML is very
> difficult for developers... to the extent that, like Google/Pew, they
> decide to simply roll their own solution. If we want people other
> than those already using it to use it, we need to recognize that this
> complexity is somewhat of a barrier and provide (whether formally or
> informally) tools and examples that contextualize the elements of
> EML... we've made some strides, but I'm not yet convinced we're there
> yet (and I have only so much capacity to help). For example, maybe
> this is a consequence of my only being involved with this TC and not a
> few other OASIS TCs, but I don't know what CAM is and how to use it
> (other than what wikipedia tells me).
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> Anyway... what I'm thinking of is an "EML for dummies", I suppose. I
> know that's not terribly sexy, but I'd like to try and have something
> like that for 7.0. And maybe I'm not seeing the full picture... best,
> Joe
>
> --
> Joseph Lorenzo Hall
> ACCURATE Postdoctoral Research Associate
> UC Berkeley School of Information
> Princeton Center for Information Technology Policy
> http://josephhall.org/



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Joseph Lorenzo Hall
ACCURATE Postdoctoral Research Associate
UC Berkeley School of Information
Princeton Center for Information Technology Policy
http://josephhall.org/