Re: [emergency-gis] Apparently No Meeting Today

[Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>]

Thanks Doug,

It's certainly fine with me to add this "Point of Interest" (POI) topic 
to the agenda, but its really up to Carl, as the chair.

I'm cc'ing the GIS SC list. Unless I'm misunderstanding, this makes any 
potential EDXL-POI idempotent wrt location, which just means that it 
stays put  in the same location whether there's one or any exponential 
number of units that make up the POI, e.g. any of the list of things you 
mention. That can cause problems. Not necessarily insoluble.

This also may very well may cause an insoluble wicked problem, which 
means it is something we can't solve because it involves "incomplete, 
contradictory, and changing requirements that are often difficult to 
recognize." (taken from Wikipedia). For instance, consider a group as a 
POI, such as a rescue team, which has been cited as a resource or an 
asset in past conversations and examples. Let's say that it consists of 
both a stationary central command post and a set of moving individuals. 
At any given time the center of the whole group changes as individuals 
move, so if we use the stationary point as the center, it will have a 
indeterminate radius, and it becomes difficult to give a status report 
for the area covered during the course of a search and rescue operation 
for a given time interval. Not sure how to restructure this one to make 
it solvable, but I bet there is a solution.

Anyway, there's plenty to discuss. Sometimes IT doesn't actually help. 
Folks have been doing Search and Rescue without having minute by minute 
status reports for a long time. How to use IT appropriately is another 
topic altogether.

Cheers,
Rex

Doug Allport wrote:
> Carl, Rex
>
> I'm sending this to you directly, as I've had my email to the GIS list
> rejected twice, and don't have the time to figure out why today. 
>
> I'm travelling next Friday, but have something I'd like discussed by the GIS
> SC. 
>
> You may recall that when implementing a provincial multi-agency situational
> awareness system that leveraged CAP for alerting other agencies, we found a
> need for something we called "point of interest". We filled the protocol
> void with a stripped down CAP-Canadian Profile that included only those
> elements required to create GeoRSS from. It has served us well. 
>
> Last week at the EDXL-DE face to face, and then during TCIP, I discussed
> this approach and found there to be a great deal of interest in filling this
> protocol void; especially from Don McGarry and Hans Jespersen. We discussed
> Cursor on Target (COT) and the European Tactical Situation Object (TSO, that
> now uses EDXL-DE, and is overseen by an organization using the OASIS
> acronym). It appears we may need a new "EDXL-POI". It would apply to a
> location, item, event, person, group, asset, space, etc., at a given
> location. It would support ownership, condition, motion, etc. I have an
> early draft that needs more work, but puts it into perspective. 
>
> I would like to know from the GIS SIC if this should start as an initiative
> of the GIS SC, or if it should be raised at the EM TC and then be assigned
> to an SC. 
>
> Please add to your agenda...and I do wish I could be there to support,
> however... 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doug Allport
> Executive Director
> Canadian Association for Public Alerting and Notification (CAPAN)
> Doug.Allport@CAPAN.ca 
> (613) 271-1040 Tel
> (613) 294-4425 Blackberry
> www.CAPAN.ca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Reed [mailto:creed@opengeospatial.org] 
> Sent: February-12-10 12:20 PM
> To: rexb@starbourne.com; EM GIS SC
> Subject: Re: [emergency-gis] Apparently No Meeting Today
>
> Rex et. al -
>
> Actually, the next meeting of the GIS SC is next Friday!
>
> So, we can get an agenda together and have a good discussion.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Carl
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com>
> To: "EM GIS SC" <emergency-gis@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:14 AM
> Subject: [emergency-gis] Apparently No Meeting Today
>
>
>   
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I meant to send a reminder to jog everyone's memory that we probably 
>> should have had a meeting today, and to say that we certainly need one, 
>> but I got caught up in other issues and meetings. So please consider 
>> this a reminder that we need to have a meeting to get an update on how 
>> the OASIS Profile of GML is progressing. Also, I have another project 
>> underway that I need to confer with the OGC on, so I will try to 
>> remember to ask about that, too.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rex
>>
>> -- 
>> Rex Brooks
>> President, CEO
>> Starbourne Communications Design
>> GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison
>> Berkeley, CA 94702
>> Tel: 510-898-0670
>>
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