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Subject: RE: [emergency-msg] Pre-Face-to-Face Meeting Looks unlikely

I agree as well. 

Tom Merkle
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:09 AM
To: Tim Grapes; 'Rex Brooks'; 'Renato Iannella'; 'Emergency_Mgt_Msg_SC'
Subject: RE: [emergency-msg] Pre-Face-to-Face Meeting Looks unlikely

Hi Everyone,

As I said, I don't favor either tool, and I have installed both, but
since Renato and, I assume, Karen have an investment in VP, and I expect
they would be able to read any files we produce using the Community
Edition, which is free, though not open source, I would now lean that
way. However, I agree with Tim, let's just get the work done and sort
out the tools issue later.


At 9:20 AM -0500 12/1/06, Tim Grapes wrote:
>I recommend we do not defer a tool decision, and we should not spend 
>cycles in the FtoF discussing this.  We have a specific urgent need and

>a lot of work to do.  Let's get the diagrams and the spec done and in 
>public comment, and then raise the tool discussion up to the TC (or 
>maybe OASIS overall?) to consider the benefits of applying a single UML
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:49 PM
>To: Renato Iannella; Emergency_Mgt_Msg_SC
>Subject: Re: [emergency-msg] Pre-Face-to-Face Meeting Looks unlikely
>Thanks Renato,
>We should hold off on deciding between VP and ArgoUML until we've had a

>chance to weigh the consequences for existing work. Regardless, 
>however, we would need to opt for the Community (Free) Edition of VP 
>unless they might be persuaded to donate some copies for us to use.
>However, I did not have a worthwhile result in my attempt to persuade 
>IBM to duplicate their prior donation of Rational tools to another TC.

>They eventually stopped responding when it was clear that their 
>attempts to foist me off onto a sales rep were as ineffective at 
>securing a sale as my attempts at soliciting a donation. In order 
>words, I won't bother with it again, but I would be happy as a clam if 
>anyone else were able to get VP or MagicDraw or even old Big Blue to 
>make such a donation.
>The file format issue has always been the major failing of UML, and 
>XMI, even when it works, suffers from the mismatch between vendor 
>implementations of the standard. It is one of the reasons, oddly 
>enough, for my goal of inching us toward an MDA approach backed up by 
>reference implementations of object libraries. IT"S one way to get good

>operational interoperability, and severely discourage vendor 
>implementations that are just a few key steps short of genuine 
>interoperability, but that are very effective arguments for 
>vendor-specific solutions that pay lip service to standards.
>At 10:03 AM +1000 12/1/06, Renato Iannella wrote:
>>On 1 Dec 2006, at 01:54, Tim Grapes wrote:
>>>   I am downloading and installing Visual Paradigm UML Community 
>>>Edition (free w/restricted capabilities, okay for modeling purposes) 
>>>and ArgoUML(free open source w/liimited capabilities also okay for 
>>>modeling purposes),
>>We use VP-UML (Modeller Edition).
>>I just tried importing/exporting between VP-UML and ArgoUML and it 
>>failed miserably!! (so much for XMI interoperability)
>>Cheers...  Renato Iannella
>>National ICT Australia (NICTA)
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>Rex Brooks
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