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Subject: Re: EM-TC EDXL-DE CD Process - Formal Objection
Dear Renato, First, let me apologize for not getting back to you sooner. I wont make excuses. Now to the subject. I appreciate the comments and issues that you have brought up over the time I have been EM-TC Chair and see you as an important member and contributor of our group. The information model that you drafted is also appreciated and has aided in various discussions over the past eight weeks. While your revised format for the data dictionary won general approval among the TC, the majority of the group didn't seem to embrace the object model you offered. It may be that the members are just too used to the DOM approach or that the information model gives the impression that we are further down the road than we are. It must be understood too that the DOM we started with for the current work was a consensus approved model originating from the New Orleans face to face. It is true that Michelle and Sylivia started putting the specification together reviewing all e-mails and documents in the TC folder at my direction during a TC call for which there was not a quorum. It is not my understanding that a TC vote was required to get this effort started. It was basically just putting what had already been done into the OASIS format, get a working schema and highlight the issues left to be addressed. I don't mean to imply that this is not a very major task but just that it did not give this group or any other license to make changes to what was already agreed. We also have been late in getting the meeting notes posted. Now that we have Julia as our secretary, this should go smoother. We also have not documented all discussion in the meeting notes but have tried to focus on the highlights and any decisions made when there is a quorum. Understanding that you, unfortunately, are not able to participate in our calls due to the time difference, we will try to put more details in the notes AND get them posted sooner. As you know we had a call today - and the meeting notes will be out before tomorrow - EDT. We spent quite a bit of time discussing the issues you raise and the information model. A quorum was present for our call today and the following was discussed: 1) Does the current EDXL DE draft properly capture the discussion to date? It was the consensus of the group that we have captured these discussions. 2) Have Dr. Iannella's comments and issues been reviewed and addressed? Several members (specifically Rex, Tom, Gary, David, Michelle and Sylvia) expressed that they reviewed the comments and felt like each had been addressed. 3) Do we need to have both a DOM and an information model in our documents going forward? Carl had suggested that both were included in OGC specifications. Gary specifically likes the format but doesn't see putting it in the specification as such. The group agreed that the best place would be the "cook book" that Patti is working on for such a data model. 4) How are we going to manage the issues and versions in this fast-paced week of trying to finish up this spec? Michelle started an issues list via the list. She will add to it the results of todays discussion and send it to Julia for posting with the minutes as well as sending it directly to the list. Art will begin the formal issues list with the feed from Michelle. We are asking anyone at this point when an issue is raised to please also offer a proposed solution for discussion and any ramifications they envision. The document in its current form will be numbered EDXL/DE 0.1. Each time we make changes, this number will roll until we get to the 1.0 committee draft. I hope this response addresses your concerns. I have followed the TC process guidelines as I understand them trying at every turn to be sure all members are heard and that we go forward with a consensus of the group. I continue to welcome your comments and be sure they are heard. Thank you for your efforts. Regards, Elysa Jones, Chair OASIS EM-TC Engineering Program Manager Warning Systems, Inc. 256-880-8702 x102 At 12:57 AM 8/16/2005, Renato Iannella wrote: >Elysa, I did not wish to get to this point, but I don't seem to have >much choice now given the >speed at which this is moving. > >I would like to formally register my objection to the current CD >process. > >Firstly, my requests for clarifications on the process, in particular >why the "Data Model" [1] (dated 2 May 2005) >version of the draft was used instead of the latter "Information >Model" draft [2][3] (dated 20 June 2005) have >all gone unanswered [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]. > >Second, the minutes of the meeting held on 14 July 2005 [10] in which >it said: > > "A task force of three (Michelle, Sylvia and Lee) are going to >take the > work of the DE to date and compile it into the OASIS format template" > >Obviously DID NOT include all of the "work of the DE to date" and has >missed significant discussion and >outcomes since the 2 May 2005 draft. > >Third, the minutes [10] also clearly state: > > "A quorum was not in attendance" > >Hence, according to the OASIS TC Process [11]: > > "Without a quorum present discussions may take place but no >business may be conducted" > > >Again, I regret that we have reached this situation, and request that >these outstanding and >serious issues be addressed prior to any new work on the current CD >process continues. > > >Cheers... Renato Iannella >National ICT Australia (NICTA) > > >[1] <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/emergency/email/ >archives/200505/msg00015.html> >[2] <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/emergency/email/ >archives/200506/msg00160.html> >[3] <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/emergency/email/ >archives/200506/msg00196.html> >[4] <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/emergency/email/ >archives/200508/msg00011.html> >[5] <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/emergency/email/ >archives/200508/msg00013.html> >[6] <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/emergency/email/ >archives/200508/msg00026.html> >[7] <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/emergency/email/ >archives/200508/msg00048.html> >[8] <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/emergency/email/ >archives/200508/msg00059.html> >[9] <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/emergency/email/ >archives/200508/msg00060.html> >[10] <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/emergency/email/ >archives/200507/msg00047.html> >[11] <http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#2.10> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >This email and any attachments may be confidential. 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