RE: [emergency] HAVE Conformance vs. Documentation vs. Released Schemas

["David RR Webber \(XML\)" <david@drrw.info>]

Lee,

 

 <ParameterName> <Value> keyword concept

That is definitely not NIEM compliant nor is it good for long term interoperability.  Better is an extensible payload area with type of ##any - or even better using the NIEM extension mechanism to provide an extension schema for these new pieces.  Those can then be simply incorporated in the next standard schema.

 

HAVE EDXL is a half-way house at the moment - some parts are following NIEM - others not so much.

 

Obviously its a balancing act - but I would suggest where NIEM has good mechanisms for implementing these needs - that those techniques should be considered first.  This also allows just to provide guidelines to developers - that then can then use when they encounter these situations.

 

Thanks, DW

 

 

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [emergency] HAVE Conformance vs. Documentation vs.
Released Schemas
From: "Lee Tincher" <ltincher@evotecinc.com>
Date: Mon, March 15, 2010 9:34 am
To: "'Dwarkanath, Sukumar - INTL'" <Sukumar_Dwarkanath@sra.com>,
<dmcgarry@mitre.org>, <emergency@lists.oasis-open.org>
Cc: "'Lewis Leinenweber'" <lleinenweber@evotecinc.com>

Sukumar,

 

That’s exactly what we did (with an interspersing of <comment> tags as well)…The problem is in the definition of the Value Name vs. the Value – we just used an “=” sign – but that means coders have more work to do outside of XML Parsers.

 

The <ParameterName> <Value> keyword concept used in CAP, DE, RM and SitReps would have been much easier to deal with…maybe a consideration for the next release?

 

I have attached the DRAFT that we have been using – it is only a Draft so please do not pass this around outside of OASIS….it includes a sample XML at the end…

 

Thanks,
Lee

 

The aim of education should be to teach us rather how to think, than what to think - rather to improve our minds, so as to enable us to think for ourselves, than to load the memory with thoughts of other men.  ~Bill Beattie

 

From: Dwarkanath, Sukumar - INTL [mailto:Sukumar_Dwarkanath@sra.com]
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:51 AM
To: ltincher@evotecinc.com; dmcgarry@mitre.org; emergency@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [emergency] HAVE Conformance vs. Documentation vs. Released Schemas

 

Lee,

This is good feedback and will be helpful - I am sure you have already looked at it, but ResourcesInformationText was added as a flexible alternative and can be used for most of the items in the short term.

Thanks
Sukumar


-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Tincher <ltincher@evotecinc.com>
To: 'McGarry, Donald P.' <dmcgarry@mitre.org>; Dwarkanath, Sukumar - INTL; emergency@lists.oasis-open.org <emergency@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Sun Mar 14 17:22:17 2010
Subject: RE: [emergency] HAVE Conformance vs. Documentation vs. Released Schemas

Slightly off topic – but I think relevant to this discussion…I would like to see some placements of the “keyword” concept into HAVE to better handle extension of existing lists and ability of new Managed Lists.  Below is a bulleted list of items we found necessary to support the Haiti Relief efforts…another problem is that in a disaster we are primarily dealing with “Health Facilities” and not just Hospitals (e.g. Clinics, Damaged/Partially operating facilities, Tent or MASH style units, converted elderly care facilities….)



In addition specific desires for information not included in the HAVE specification was determined.  These included:



·         Information  Blood Products

·         Information on Ancillary Services

·         Information on Laboratory Services

·         Information on Pharmacy Services

·         Status and capacity information on Rehab Services

·         Accessibility by Road

·         24/7 Emergency Room capabilities

·         Adult Ventilator capabilities and availability

·         Pediatric Ventilator capabilities and availability

·         General Medicine capabilities

·         Is there adequate Nursing staff?

·         Number of available skilled Nurses

·         Are there adequate Medical Providers (available physicians and mid-level)?

·         Number of available Medical Providers

·         Are there adequate Surgical Teams?

·         Number of available Surgical Teams

·         Structural Damage?

·         Water Shortage?

·         Power Shortage?

·         Comments on demographic information

·         Previously reported demographics information is confirmed?

·         Internet Access Available?

·         Email Available?

·         Phone Service Available?



In addition further restrictions apply to the following HAVE elements:



·         HospitalStatus/Hospital/Organization/Addresses   this is free text, but to specify the the "Seccion Communal" use "Seccion= [Name of Seccion Communal]"

·         HospitalStatus/Hospital/Organization/OrganizationInformation/Addresses/AdministrativeArea/SubAdministrativeArea   Use "Commune= [Commune Name]"

·         HospitalStatus/Hospital/Organization/OrganizationInformation/Addresses/AdministrativeArea/SubAdministrativeArea  Use "Arrondissement= [Arrondissement Name]"

·         HospitalStatus/Hospital/Organization/OrganizationInformation/Addresses/AdministrativeArea/NameElement   "[Department Name]"

·         HospitalStatus/Hospital/Organization/OrganizationGeoLocation/gml:point/gml:pos restricted to 4 decimal places



Thanks,

Lee



The aim of education should be to teach us rather how to think, than what to think - rather to improve our minds, so as to enable us to think for ourselves, than to load the memory with thoughts of other men.  ~Bill Beattie