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Subject: RE: [energyinterop] Scope questions for discussion

Great start, Sila. To the list I’d suggest adding the building or facility’s bid/ask price for consumption/DER over the relevant time period(s).


This could, and probably should, be iterative with the “Grid”, which might be multiple institutions, providing forward costs for different intervals and buildings responding.





From: Sila Kiliccote [mailto:skiliccote@lbl.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:30 PM
To: Ed Cazalet
Cc: Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT); Energy Interop
Subject: Re: [energyinterop] Scope questions for discussion


If the grid has the historical data from each facility plus weather data from each location, it can generate forecasts for each building as well as the aggragate. The building's prediction is an fyi for the grid  This happens in the grod between utilities and ISOs all the time  sort of like a check/balance  but may not be necessary if not trusted. 



On Feb 2, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Ed Cazalet <ed@cazalet.com> wrote:

The grid usually forecasts load in the aggregate.  What is the building forecast for?  If it is a baseline for a DR program, then who should be responsible for the forecast?  The customer should not do it, because of the incentive to bias the forecast.


Edward G. Cazalet, Ph.D.

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From: Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT) [mailto:Toby.Considine@unc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:31 PM
To: Energy Interop
Subject: RE: [energyinterop] Scope questions for discussion


Traditionally, building load management has been crude, and aggregated in certain large time granules. Industrial sites, however, have had strong incentives to manage peaks.


As operating safety margins get smaller, it may become increasingly important to manage peaks aggressively, even within the neighborhood or even home. Is some sort of detailed peak /load shape of interest in the new world? What about power factors? Is the forward and backward reporting of curves rather than points of measurement the future of smart metering?




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Toby Considine

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Co-Chair, OASIS Technical Advisory Board
Facilities Technology Office
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC


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Phone: (919)962-9073


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From: Sila Kiliccote [mailto:skiliccote@lbl.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:09 PM
To: Energy Interop
Subject: [energyinterop] Scope questions for discussion



David Holmberg and I had a great conversation today on the scope of EI (which will hopefully feed into section under discussion). I’d like to open up some of my ideas and get your feedback before I propose a few paragraphs for the scope section.

 I’d like to look at the scope from a B2G interface point of view and the questions I suggest we try to answer are:

  1. What information do the buildings need from the electricity grid?
  2. What information does the electricity grid need from the buildings?

 Buildings’ need from the Grid:
         Electricity prices (various forms such as absolute, relative, level, etc)
-         DR contract parameters – excluding direct load control: A contract can have the following parameters:

   -         Issue time, start time, end time

-         Within the start time and end time there may be a request from the grid for load reduction (%, absolute, relative, etc) (or load increase - when there is too much generation)

       -    Power quality (Do we care how “good” the power we get from the Grid? Probably! What are the indicators to be communicated to a building?
 -    Location of the resources needed

 Grid’s need from buildings:

-         Measured (current, historical) demand
-         Predicted demand
-         Available DR (over next 24 hrs?, 1 week?)
 -   Location identifier (meter, address, grid  location indicator?)

 I welcome your comments. All of the above assumes that the meter is the demarcation point. And just to add, the expansion of this to DER can be again categorized as on the utility side and on the building side but should be a super set.



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