Re: HM.frameworks: smile (was: RE: HM.frameworks: anew (wasHM.VR_AI: Goals and Overview : HumanML_VR_AI Facilitator))

[Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org>]

Title: Re: HM.frameworks: anew (was HM.VR_AI: Goals and Over

True context neutrality is an impossibility. 

However, we do live in the real world, and we have to draw the line somewhere, at least at this stage

That's acknowledged.

 

 

Semantic:  purely physical description

smile

   Wide

   Wry (not)

   Grin

   Toothy

   ----

   Puckered

   Sour

   Disgusted

   Narrow

  

  

Let's play some pattern matching games...which ones belong and don't belong?

Any more you can think of? 

 

An even more important question is, is there an authoritative research body we could refer to for smiles? 

(We ultimately DO want to get out of the business of inventing our own taxonomies, as much as we can help.)

 

 

Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Bullard, Claude L (Len)

To: Rex Brooks ; Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga ; OASIS Comment

Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:53 PM

Subject: RE: HM.frameworks: anew (was HM.VR_AI: Goals and Overview : HumanML_VR_AI Facilitator)

Excellent catch, Rex.  Wry doesn't belong in that list and for exactly the reasons you

state.   An enumeration should be semantically coherent; that is, all of the members

should be at the same level of semantic choice (point of view).

 

The right habits of inspecting the Schema are emerging. I'm impressed. :-)

 

len

-----Original Message-----
From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]

I assume we are now discussing facialGesture:smile:?

This means we are now discussing the appearance presented by a human of what we call a smile and how we can describe that appearance, yes?

I suggest that we start with context-neutral descriptions, which most of Ranjeeth's are, except Wry. This is the realm of purely physical description without connotation.

Then we can move on to "interpretations" of those physical descriptions of appearances presented and see what kind of agreement we can get on connotations and intentionality. That's where it starts getting tricky.

That's also where we run into primary and secondary audiences and what meanings get translated from observation into perception.

There's a few thoughts.