[humanmarkup-comment] Re: Follow-up to Human Markup presentation

[Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org>]

I'm forwarding this email to the HumanMarkup TC comments group, as it may be
interesting for some of the other people on this endeavor.

There certainly could be such an overlay.  As of now, you have certain
ThoughtPrints....I do assume that this is represented as XML tags such as
those below, before they are rendered as HTML as different colors:
<primary></primary>
<process></process>
<conditional></conditional>
<detail></detail>

This is a very high level analysis of course.  I could certainly see a
tie-in regarding transforming from lower level HumanML towards high level
ThoughtPrints.  The ThoughtPrints could utilize not only linguistic
analysis, but also utilize markup analysis, to perform the determination.
This is in the same way current search engines look for word patterns in
text, but newer search engines look for markup itself when retrieving
results.

Thanks Barbara for the information.  I'd certainly like to keep in touch
with developments, and hopefully establish a more meaningful relationship.
As we progress, please do forward any thoughts you may have as well.
(I'm sure you're analyzing this email right now for ThoughtPrints as
well...is there anywhere we can get a demo of your software?)

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Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Stuckey" <bstuckey@exactword.com>
To: "Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga" <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Follow-up to Human Markup presentation


> Hi Ranjeeth,
>     Delighted to hear from you.  I think we do have synergy.  In
particular,
> we seem to have done different things.  That suggests a broad horizon of
> combined efforts.  Thank you very much for investigating our website.  I
> know that we have more information than website conventionally do, but our
> multiple vertical markets suggest that we err on the side of an
> embarrassment of riches than a skeletal overview.  In truth, we hope to
> change the visitors' paradigms just a bit right on the spot.
>
>     We have our methodology built into an engine with XML and HTML, as
well
> as initial database structures, created with our APIs.  The "color-coded"
> examples on the website represent how the engine analyzes test in real
time.
> The engine automatically displays or reports the intuitive context strings
> of thought without semantic word definitions in the look-up dictionaries.
> Your interpretive "overlay" would allow the user to add interpretation, or
> enrich communication with nonverbals, gesture, mood, personality, etc.?
> Very interesting to us.  We have, as you ascertained, concentrated upon
the
> linguistic analysis exclusively.  All sentences in English fall into
> word-order patterns of four context -the "colors" represent the four
> possible architectures of linguistic communication, rather of the language
> patterns of English.  All language certainly falls into patterns but
> language families create those patterns differently.  We started with
> English to identify "bigger chunks of meaning" in the intuitive exchanges
> which language allows.  In addition, people tend to prefer one or two of
the
> four which, as you saw on the site, we have called the "ThoughtPrint."
>
>     I hope we can create a dialogue and find a productive relationship as
> we, too, want to expand.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Barbara Stuckey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org>
> To: Barbara Stuckey <bstuckey@exactword.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Follow-up to Human Markup presentation
>
>
> >Hi Barbara,
> >
> >Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  We were maturing our own
> effort
> >a bit before starting to initiate contacts, so that is why I am
contacting
> >you now.  There is a lot of information on your website, and I have been
> >able to get a lot out of it.  It is very interesting to see what you have
> >done.  From what I gathered, your tool makes explicit some of the
internal
> >functions of the communicator through different colors.
> >
> >Our approach through Human Markup Language is to embed the contextual
> >information directly into information.  One could say that the
information
> >could be presented through language, but contextual information, as you
are
> >all aware of, is not always communicated clearly through linguistic
> >structures alone.
> >
> >Here is a simple example of how Human Markup Language may embed
> information.
> >
> >He smiled at her.
> >vs.
> ><deceitful>He smiled at her.</deceitful>
> >
> >
> >In other words, I see theExact Word is attempting to *gleen* this
> contextual
> >information, and HumanMarkup effort is attempting to *embed* this
> contextual
> >information, using XML.  We also are considering developing guidelines
for
> >stylistic representation for human characteristics, and different colors,
> >fonts, sizes of texts are some of the possibilities representing
different
> >emotional, attitudinal, human characteristics as well--again, based on
> >explicit tags.
> >
> >I do hope we can touch base in the future sometime.  There seem to be
> >several potential areas of synergy between our efforts.
> >Please keep in touch regarding any developments on your end as well.
Take
> >care,
> >
> >-----
> >Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga
> >President/Chair
> >HumanMarkup.org, Inc.
> >rkthunga@humanmarkup.org
> >(646) 456-9076
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Barbara Stuckey" <bstuckey@exactword.com>
> >To: "Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga" <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:35 AM
> >Subject: Re: Follow-up to Human Markup presentation
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>     Thanks to Karl for the referral.  If you have questions, please
write
> >or
> >> call.  Some folks like our website, calling it thorough.  Some other
> folks
> >> call it dense with information!!!  I'll expand or elucidate if and as
you
> >> wish.  Thanks to you for your interest.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Barbara Stuckey
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org>
> >> To: karl.hebenstreit@gsa.gov <karl.hebenstreit@gsa.gov>
> >> Cc: susan.turnbull@gsa.gov <susan.turnbull@gsa.gov>; ghb@ncsa.uiuc.edu
> >> <ghb@ncsa.uiuc.edu>; Owen_Ambur@fws.gov <Owen_Ambur@fws.gov>;
> >> dae@claritech.com <dae@claritech.com>; bstuckey@exactword.com
> >> <bstuckey@exactword.com>
> >> Date: Friday, October 19, 2001 6:39 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Follow-up to Human Markup presentation
> >>
> >>
> >> >Hi Karl,
> >> >
> >> >Thanks very much for the contact information --it was good meeting you
> on
> >> >Tuesday.
> >> >
> >> >David and Barbara-- I'll do some readings on your project this
weekend.
> >> >They seem like very interesting efforts, and I'll touch base with you
> two
> >> in
> >> >the next few days as well.
> >> >
> >> >Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: <karl.hebenstreit@gsa.gov>
> >> >To: <rkthunga@humanmarkup.org>
> >> >Cc: <susan.turnbull@gsa.gov>; <ghb@ncsa.uiuc.edu>;
<Owen_Ambur@fws.gov>;
> >> ><dae@claritech.com>; <bstuckey@exactword.com>
> >> >Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:44 PM
> >> >Subject: Follow-up to Human Markup presentation
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Ranjeeth -
> >> >> Thank you for your introduction to the OASIS effort you've started.
> >> >Here
> >> >> are a couple of references and introductions to some work which may
> >have
> >> >> some interesting tie-ins.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Micro-message management and "affect" presentation from Search
Engine
> >> >> meeting 2001:
> >> >>
> >>
>
>>http://www.infonortics.com/searchengines/sh01/slides-01/evans_files/frame.
> h
> >> t
> >> >m
> >> >>
> >> >>    Contact:  David Evans
> >> >>    http://www.claritech.com/
> >> >>
> >> >> Do your Thoughtprint
> >> >> http://www.theexactword.com/tp-intro.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>    Contact:  Barbara Stuckey
> >> >>    http://www.theexactword.com/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> David & Barbara -
> >> >> Ranjeeth gave a presentation about the Human Markup initiative (
> >> >> http://www.humanmarkup.org ) at the Universal Access Workshop
> co-hosted
> >> by
> >> >> Susan Turnbull and George Brett.    Owen Ambur is the Chair of the
XML
> >> >> Working Group ( http://www.xml.gov )
> >> >>
> >> >> _____
> >> >>
> >> >> Karl Hebenstreit, Jr.
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> >> >> E-mail:  karl.hebenstreit@gsa.gov
> >> >> Website:  http://www.gsa.gov
> >> >>
> >> >> "If you don't like that idea, I've got plenty of others!"
> >> >> -- R. Buckminster "Bucky" Fuller, http://www.bfi.org
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