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Subject: [humanmarkup-comment] Fwd: FW: Psychometrics on the way?
I got this yesterday and meant to post it then, but got very busy and forgot. Needless to say, I find it relevant to our work if not immediately then eventually. Ciao, Rex >Subject: FW: Psychometrics on the way? >Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:25:32 -0700 >Thread-Topic: Psychometrics on the way? >Thread-Index: AcJGBzRwVbjVwDL0QGCekZYE/IYfhgBgKprQAFLRjdI= >From: "Monica Martin" <mmartin@certivo.net> >To: <rexb@starbourne.com> >X-Rcpt-To: <rexb@starbourne.com> >X-DPOP: DPOP Version 2.4a >Status: U > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawson, William J (Bill), MGSVC > Sent: Mon 8/19/2002 8:11 AM > To: BIOMETRICS@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM > Cc: > Subject: Re: Psychometrics on the way? > > > > Hello Henry, > > Just a friendly reminder, You and I had discussed this very same >concept > (psychometrics, Neurometrics, EEG fingerprint, neural >fingerprint) > several months ago. At that time, I called your attention to >published > papers at www.icdri.org, here are the links: > > http://www.icdri.org/biometrics/biometrics.htm > http://www.icdri.org/biometrics/let_me_in.htm > http://www.icdri.org/biometrics/new_wave.htm > > The papers have also been republished: > "Let Me In!!! (Biometric Access & Neural Control), International >Center > for Disability Resources on the Internet (ICDRI), November 2001. > Republished at www.NextInterface.net, March 2002 and at > www.FindBiometrics.com, April 2002. > > "The New Wave (Biometric Access & Neural Control), International >Center > for Disability Resources on the Internet (ICDRI), April 2002. > Republished at www.ISOC.org, June 2002 and presented at the INET >2002 > Conference (Washington DC). > > And let us not forget the Survey and its' introduction > http://www.icdri.org/biometrics/to_be_or_not.htm. > > > Here is your response: > >*********************************************************************** > > From: Henry J. Boitel [ mailto:boitel@mindspring.com] > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 2:10 PM > Subject: Neurometrics > > Bill, > Sounds like you are at the cutting edge. The > implications for people with disabilities are > tremendous. In fact, the implications for all people > are truly wondrous. In a way we are all disabled in > terms of achieving that to which our imaginations can > aspire, and we have made a good start at reducing those > disabilities. There was a time when flying or > telephoning or photographing or televising and a lot > of other things were as remote in likelihood as > neurocontrolling. > > Best wishes, > Henry > > >************************************************************************ > *********************** > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry J. Boitel [ mailto:boitel@MINDSPRING.COM] > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 11:56 AM > To: BIOMETRICS@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM > Subject: Psychometrics on the way? > > > Whether or not the capabilities described in the following > article can be realized in the near future remains to be > seen. However, as speculated on the BC list, not long ago, > there is little doubt that substantial funds and time are > being spent to determine that feasibility. > > Enhancements to be added to the Computer-Aided Passenger > Pre-Screening (CAPPS) system would have as their goal the > measurement of bodily functions, including brain waves, by > means of covert and/or overt sensors, for the purpose of > detecting potentially dangerous or hostile states of mind. > (In every sense of the classic definition of the term, these > would be biometric measurements, but they would be geared > not to determining who someone is, but, rather, what that > person's mental attitude is.) > > This article is from The Washington Times and can be found > at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020817-704732.htm > > There is no mention of whether there is any intent of also > using the system at press conferences of the executive and > legislative branches. > ______________________________________________ > NASA plans to read terrorist's minds at airports > By Frank J. Murray THE WASHINGTON TIMES > > Airport security screeners may soon try to read the minds of > travelers to identify terrorists. > > Officials of the National Aeronautics and Space > Administration have told Northwest Airlines security > specialists that the agency is developing brain-monitoring > devices in cooperation with a commercial firm, which it did > not identify. Space technology would be adapted to receive > and analyze brain-wave and heartbeat patterns, then feed > that data into computerized programs "to detect passengers > who potentially might pose a threat," according to briefing > documents obtained by The Washington Times. > > NASA wants to use "noninvasive neuro-electric sensors," > imbedded in gates, to collect tiny electric signals that all > brains and hearts transmit. Computers would apply > statistical algorithms to correlate physiologic patterns > with computerized data on travel routines, criminal > background and credit information from "hundreds to > thousands of data sources," NASA documents say. > > The notion has raised privacy concerns. Mihir Kshirsagar of > the Electronic Privacy Information Center says such > technology would only add to airport-security chaos. "A lot > of people's fear of flying would send those meters off the > chart. Are they going to pull all those people aside?" > > The organization obtained documents July 31, the product of > a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the > Transportation Security Administration, and offered the > documents to this newspaper. Mr. Kshirsagar's organization > is concerned about enhancements already being added to the > Computer-Aided Passenger Pre-Screening (CAPPS) system. Data > from sensing machines are intended to be added to that mix. > NASA aerospace research manager Herb Schlickenmaier told The > Times the test proposal to Northwest Airlines is one of four > airline-security projects the agency is developing. It's too > soon to know whether any of it is working, he says. > > "There are baby steps for us to walk through before we can > make any pronouncements," says Mr. Schlickenmaier, the > Washington official overseeing scientists who briefed > Northwest Airlines on the plan. He likened the proposal to a > super lie detector that would also measure pulse rate, body > temperature, eye-flicker rate and other biometric aspects > sensed remotely. Though adding mind reading to screening > remains theoretical, Mr. Schlickenmaier says, he confirms > that NASA has a goal of measuring brain waves and heartbeat > rates of airline passengers as they pass screening machines. > > This has raised concerns that using noninvasive procedures > is merely a first step. Private researchers say reliable EEG > brain waves are usually measurable only by machines whose > sensors touch the head, sometimes in a "thinking cap" > device. "To say I can take that cap off and put sensors in a > doorjamb, and as the passenger starts walking through [to > allow me to say] that they are a threat or not, is at this > point a future application," Mr. Schlickenmaier said in an > interview. "Can I build a sensor that can move off of the > head and still detect the EEG?" asks Mr. Schlickenmaier, who > led NASA's development of airborne wind-shear detectors 20 > years ago. "If I can do that, and I don't know that right > now, can I package it and [then] say we can do this, or no > we can't? We are going to look at this question. > > Can this be done? Is the physics possible?" Two physics > professors familiar with brain-wave research, but not > associated with NASA, questioned how such testing could be > feasible or reliable for mass screening. "What they're > saying they would do has not been done, even wired in," says > a national authority on neuro-electric sensing, who asked > not to be identified. He called NASA's goal "pretty far > out." Both professors also raised privacy concerns. > "Screening systems must address privacy and 'Big Brother' > issues to the extent possible," a NASA briefing paper, > presented at a two-day meeting at Northwest Airlines > headquarters in St. Paul, Minn., acknowledges. > > Last year, the Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional police > efforts to use noninvasive "sense-enhancing technology" that > is not in general public use in order to collect data > otherwise unobtainable without a warrant. However, the high > court consistently exempts airports and border posts from > most Fourth Amendment restrictions on searches. > > "We're getting closer to reading minds than you might > suppose," says Robert Park, a physics professor at the > University of Maryland and spokesman for the American > Physical Society. "It does make me uncomfortable. That's the > limit of privacy invasion. You can't go further than that." > "We're close to the point where they can tell to an extent > what you're thinking about by which part of the brain is > activated, which is close to reading your mind. It would be > terribly complicated to try to build a device that would > read your mind as you walk by." The idea is plausible, he > says, but frightening. > > At the Northwest Airlines session conducted Dec. 10-11, nine > scientists and managers from NASA Ames Research Center at > Moffett Field, Calif., proposed a "pilot test" of the > Aviation Security Reporting System. NASA also requested that > the airline turn over all of its computerized passenger data > for July, August and September 2001 to incorporate in NASA's > "passenger-screening testbed" that uses "threat-assessment > software" to analyze such data, biometric facial recognition > and "neuro-electric sensing." Northwest officials would not > comment. > > Published scientific reports show NASA researcher Alan Pope, > at NASA Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va., produced a > system to alert pilots or astronauts who daydream or "zone > out" for as few as five seconds. > > The September 11 hijackers helped highlight one weakness of > the CAPPS system. They did dry runs that show whether a > specific terrorist is likely to be identified as a threat. > Those pulled out for special checking could be replaced by > others who do not raise suspicions. The September 11 > hijackers cleared security under their own names, even > though nine of them were pulled aside for extra attention. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > The preceding was forwarded by the Biometric Consortium's >Electronic > Discussion Group. Any opinions expressed here do not >necessarily > reflect those of the Biometric Consortium. 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