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Subject: Re: [id-cloud] Proposed Minutes from ID-Cloud TC Call (22 August2011)
On 08/22/2011 03:00 PM, Thomas Hardjono wrote: > Folks, > > Here are the minutes from the ID-Cloud TC call this week. > Apologies if I missed any discussion points or threads. > > /thomas/ > > ________________________ > > > Oasis ID-Cloud TC Meeting Minutes (22 August 2011) > ------------------------------------------------- > > [Notation: Q = question; A = answer; C = comment] > > > (1) Roll Call and Agenda Review: > - Quorum was achieved. > - Thomas Hardjono minute taker. Attendees: Dominique Nguyen Bank of America Hadass Harel eBay, Inc. Matthew Rutkowski IBM Thomas Hardjono M.I.T. Anthony Nadalin Microsoft David Turner Microsoft Anil Saldhana Red Hat Darran Rolls SailPoint Technologies Roger Bass Traxian Leave of Absence: Gershon Janssen Quorum: 7 out of 10 voting members (70%) Status: Gershon will update. > (2) Approval of TC Meeting Minutes from 8 August 2011: > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/id-cloud/201108/msg00033.html > > - Motion to accept minutes: Roger Bass. > Second: Dominique Nguyen. > No objections. Motion passes. Minutes approved. > > > (3) Terms& Definitions work: > > - Matt: reminder that the informal telecon is on Mondays, > following the TC telecon > > - Anil: any discussions or questions about Use-Cases? > (none) > > > > (4) Gap Analysis discussion: > > - Roger: > o Reminder that GAP analysis telecons is on > Thursdays 2PM-EST (11AM-PST). > o Roger will send out new notifications. > o Group has had discussions about the process to > identify the standards that apply to the use-cases. > > - Matt: > o We need to be mindful of our customer (namely OASIS). > o We need to be mindful about which groups (in OASIS) to > whom we direct our recommendations. > > - Roger: > o We should not skew our GAP analysis to fit existing > groups in OASIS. > o If other standards (outside OASIS) exists, then it > is ok to identify them. > > - Matt: > o We should start at OASIS and work outwards > > - Anil: > o We need to look at all standards& bodies (be inclusive). > o We look at OASIS first and then other/external > standards bodies. > > - Roger: > o We need to factor-in market traction (of standards) > when we do our work. > o For example, if there are two standards (an OASIS > and an external), but the external standards has > more market traction, then we should take that factor > into consideration. > > - Matt: > o Our first customer is OASIS. > > - Roger: > o Confused about what it means to have "OASIS as customer". > > - Anil: > o We have completed the Use-Cases doc. > o Now, for each Use-case we need to look at the > existing standards: > + Identify the gaps. > + Then give feedback to the relevant standards body. > + If they are not interest, then we can do the > standards work ourselves. > > > - Roger: > o Wants to understand relationship between doing gap > analysis and profiles. > o Perhaps our TC output should not only be the gap analyses, > but also profiles. > o Is this correct, and what are the implications? > > - Darren: > o What is the status of SCIM protocol and relationship to us? > > - Matt: > o We should not endorse other groups. > o We should take actions that benefit OASIS. > > - Roger: > o Lets use SCIM just as an example for our current discussion. > o SCIM is currently being adapted for mobile provisioning. > o What should be our motivation for adopting SCIM? > > - Anil: > o We will need to engage IP experts in OASIS. > > - David: > o We are producing a report (gap analysis). > o We need to distinguish between standards-body and > industry activity. > o Its ok for us to say that there are no formal standards > today but only an industry activity. > > - Darren: > o Darren actively follows developments in SCIM and SPML. > o SCIM is planned for submission into the IETF. > > > - Matt: > o It is ok for us to reference other work, but > we should not go into details. > o That is, we should not need to read a specification and > profile it. > o Thus, gap-analyses and profiling are separate activities. > > - Roger: > o Question to Matt: is Intellectual Property (IP) a > deciding factor for Matt (in choosing which standards > specs and standards-bodies) ? > > - Matt: > o OASIS has a prescribed steps for its members to engage > other external standards-bodies. > o Matt is concerned that we are getting ahead of ourselves. > o We should just do gap analysis (not start writing profiles). > > - Roger: > o So the dividing line is profiles. > > - Matt: > o Yes, we should identity gaps but not analyze other specs. > > - Roger: > o The problem is that you can only understand > a spec (like SCIM) by reading the spec in detail. > o Also, some folks may not be sufficiently familiar with > a given use-case but is very familiar with a given > specification/standard (and vice versa). > o So the challenge is: what is the correct alignment and > process between a use-case being analyzed and the > recommended standard(s). > > - Anil: > o Lets just start with OASIS approved standards first. > + Roger: OK > + Anil: Need not include Work-in-Progress or drafts. > > - David: > o David disagrees (about not including works-in-progress). > o We need to capture the state of the industry. > o Which means including newly formed working groups. > > - Matt: > o Matt is ok with this, but we need to look at > groups/works which have publicly available > information (eg. websites) and not private/closed efforts. > > - David: > o David agrees with Matt. > o One thing is to recognize a given work effort, but > how to use it (to fill a gap) is out-of-scope for us. > + Matt agrees with David. > > - David: > o For now we should include as much stuff (ie. standards > specs) as possible and remove/reduce later on. > o That is, we should not limit ourselves now. > > - Matt: > o OK, but we should not get stuck with someone else's specs. > o The specs we look at should already be published, should > have no IP restrictions and be in the public domain. > > - Roger: > o This is clear enough. We should just do gap analysis. > > > > - Dominique(?): what is the time frame to complete gap > analyses? Is it November? > > - Anil: > o We need to put out a draft version, and continue producing > revisions. > o Its difficult to set an end-date. Basically we have > the Sept-Oct-Nov time frame to complete the gap analysis. > > - Roger: > o Agrees that we may reference published > standards (non-SDO standards) > o We need to find a suitable level of detail to describe, > but defer detailed dive to a later date. > > - Anil: End of gap analysis discussion. > o Roger: will send-out reminder for the Thursday meetings. > > > > - Roger: > o Status of SCIM in the future? > o Anil: we will not make a decision until SCIM is version 1.0. > > - Roger: > o Will OASIS consider bringing-in SCIM? > o Anil: There is a parallel discussion on-going in > OASIS (unrelated to this TC). > > > > 5) Meeting adjourned. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > SoapHub Chat Transcript: > > AnilSaldhana(RedHat) > Anthony Nadalin > David Turner (MSFT) > Dominique Nguyen11 > Hadass Harel (eBay) > lippa02 > Matt Rutkowski (IBM) > Roger Bass (Traxian) > Thomas Hardjono (MIT) > > Anonymous morphed into Darran Rolls, SailPoint > AnilSaldhana(RedHat): dialing > AnilSaldhana(RedHat): http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/id-cloud/201108/msg00033.html > AnilSaldhana(RedHat): Link to Meeting Minutes of Aug 8, 2011 > AnilSaldhana(RedHat): Roger: moves, Dominique: seconds > AnilSaldhana(RedHat): approved > AnilSaldhana(RedHat): good discussion related to IP associated with standards - open vs proprietary standards > Dominique Nguyen11: I hope we are going to finalize our approach at the end of the discussion to set clear direction > David Turner (MSFT): actually, to be clear, I actually said, "let's burn that bridge when we come to it? > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- >
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