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Subject: Re: [legalcite-markup-discuss] Cross-walks to existing database systems
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Chet Ensign <chet.ensign@oasis-open.org> wrote: >>> Another omission from the charter is discovery, reporting and mapping > between existing legal metadata database holdings. > > There was discussion of that in earlier conversations - my take is that our > work should support those use cases / business needs but we shouldn't try to > propose how it should be done. I'm wondering what the legalcite TC structures will look like. If they are arbitrary flat records (item type + fields), a defined mapping into RDF would presumably be needed to get consistent results with systems that handle records in that form. > > >>> It is unreasonable to think that existing metadata databases will > covert their legacy (from a legalcite viewpoint) data into the model > produced by the proposed TC, > > I agree - looking at their needs / structures strikes me as an important > part of the process of developing a standard > >>> A journey into the sea of legal citations ... Perhaps it's age but >>> setting out in a small boat > > I love the sailing analogy... > >>> PS: I can suggest some formal charter language if that would be helpful. > > Please do - that would help focus the discussion. > > /chet > > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Patrick Durusau <patrick@durusau.net> > wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Greetings! >> >> One post spawns another! ;-) >> >> While writing about the need to hold the metadata separate from a >> citation in a text, it occurred to me that there are already databases >> in existence now that hold such data. >> >> Those would be in addition to the legal markup systems I asked about >> yesterday, which are not mentioned as being candidates for mappings >> between legalcite TC markup and their markup in the charter. >> >> Another omission from the charter is discovery, reporting and mapping >> between existing legal metadata database holdings. >> >> It is unreasonable to think that existing metadata databases will >> covert their legacy (from a legalcite viewpoint) data into the model >> produced by the proposed TC, unless by some happy accident the TC >> happens to duplicate their data model. >> >> Additional items that should be explicitly included in the charter: >> >> 1) Mapping (or Crosswalk) between legalcite TC markup and at a >> minimum, the highly visible legal markup systems cited in the charter, and >> >> 2) Mapping (or Crosswalk) between legalcite TC data model and existing >> legal metadata data models, where available. >> >> A journey into the sea of legal citations is more likely to end >> pleasantly if we can build a large boat (induce many of the highly >> visible systems to participate in the TC) and secure our boat to other >> boats (mappings/crosswalks to other systems and metadata databases). >> >> Perhaps it's age but setting out in a small boat, even with skilled >> and adventurous colleagues, where a successful journey depends upon >> others replacing their views with our own, isn't as attractive as it >> might have been, once upon a time. >> >> Please respond on list. >> >> Hope everyone is having a great day! >> >> Patrick >> >> PS: I can suggest some formal charter language if that would be helpful. >> >> - -- >> Patrick Durusau >> patrick@durusau.net >> Technical Advisory Board, OASIS (TAB) >> Former Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34 >> Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps) >> Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300 >> Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps) >> >> Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net >> Homepage: http://www.durusau.net >> Twitter: patrickDurusau >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ >> >> iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJScSUyAAoJEAudyeI2QFGo1XsQAKd4zS+JlXPqxACIXNWk28Fv >> aVhcc0+B75PozCjcEsVHQ7WIJrDa1Noz1+sNjXHxiBja7XuOhLNbS0bbko0VhWXN >> fAfIKwAsypmTL6bfTZdh40UJErJ7uU1tS+osub2dUJOa/C2FvsAC3OjpyybUT7aA >> /zHpuQgSIt4LFzPc6JUKrRCDpU+n4rp1KG6/Z3EJUueJUMcey4ghkGgCjEdyv6nx >> 51MTFmMSwq8ZiwWIu1fok/SXnS8zy2eRF0KA76GL0dAI+CiRIcoUn4gMZpPuho92 >> tmAztAtJZpujUW76UotlZgnXVjDTGNZXQcB8VaMes8i7XaOj3dxc0aL5DFqwGiMB >> BDckCyHhUw/BZU1mjZF1JVHVhWFjnjsJSAlZsqYVvYxD/QXFqINrz/NX6VXlsmf5 >> QCMxnG3howoy3dXfJYwj+mOoho4ObVMa9VrzfWJMs+xk/eR95GqNSH6hVhHYPvjd >> r51mxfx1zYuQKNcrVtPnq5bAI1Ab4Xp7wl87VBj/MLMmLam+Ml2ljbu4Rto7b8Ec >> 55PxuQ6R1wWHgjXikQigrQ6QCkfwslCLOrpVl5q8H26WGXAd5h9+o4HPHki4eqzM >> 5EURKryFaCZAqrIpWCv3wN83Y6uwLbV3yylwBl67JnTvEgZz6Lb7oVyuDKowfFA9 >> oyh8XSyOWgw7oAPo3UwD >> =fz5C >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> legalcite-markup-discuss-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> legalcite-markup-discuss-help@lists.oasis-open.org >> > > > > -- > > /chet > ---------------- > Chet Ensign > Director of Standards Development and TC Administration > OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society > http://www.oasis-open.org > > Primary: +1 973-996-2298 > Mobile: +1 201-341-1393 > > Check your work using the Support Request Submission Checklist at > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/47248/tc-admin-submission-checklist.html > > TC Administration information and support is available at > http://www.oasis-open.org/resources/tcadmin > > Follow OASIS on: > LinkedIn: http://linkd.in/OASISopen > Twitter: http://twitter.com/OASISopen > Facebook: http://facebook.com/oasis.open
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