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Subject: Modified: Regular monthly LEXIDMA TC meeting

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 15:06:44 +0000 (UTC)

Submitter's message
added minutes, thanks to Carole for great note taking!
-dF
-- Dr. David Filip

Event Title: Regular monthly LEXIDMA TC meeting

Date: Monday, 24 August 2020, 02:00pm to 03:00pm WEST
Location: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/lexidma/members/action_item.php?action_item_id=3939
Description

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This meeting counts towards voter eligibility.

Agenda

Moved 1 week later based on consensus of the 20 July meeting

1. Administrative

roll call

appoint scribe

[need a pool of scribe volunteers to rotate the duty]

approve minutes from previous 2 meetings
minutes from June 15 pending, action Simon
minutes from July 20 pending, action Michal

2. Material

DMLex Working Draft format Docbook template set up pending https://github.com/oasis-tcs/lexidma

discuss normtaive keywords style

DMLex WD Technical discussion
- Based on technical contributions received by 20th August 2020
Continue discussion of design principles
- Review Michal's finding on the use of subentries and subsenses in ELEXIS data
- Do we have consensue on the fused design principles?
  https://github.com/oasis-tcs/lexidma/wiki/Fused-revised-design-principles
Continue discussion of data model diagrams
- Recet contributions:
  - Miloš, Ilan, and John discussiong "two level senses"
    https://markmail.org/thread/ysxlq3ih5r4q6b67
  - John and Michal discussing revised Ontolex diagaram
    https://markmail.org/thread/wmmarqw5ugekxvdo
- Initial positions
  - Miloš: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/66840/LEXIDMA_ER_version1.pd
  - John: https://github.com/oasis-tcs/lexidma/wiki/Data-Model-based-on-OntoLex-TEI-Lex0

LEXIDMA TC liaisons and appointement of reps
- TEI Lex-0 appointement of rep pending

Call for a liaison rep

3. Closing Admin

Recap of agreed actions
AOB
Adjourn [no later than 1400 UTC]

Minutes

http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-1899/OntoLex_2017_paper_4.pdf

- The meeting started at 15:00 Central European Summer Time. Chair: David
Filip. Minute taker: Carole Tiberius.

Agenda:
1. Administrative

roll call

- Attendance was taken and voting rights updated

dF, Ilan, Simon, John, Iztok, Tomaz, Carole

Quorum reached with 6/9 voters present

Carole will gain voting rights after today's meeting

appoint scribe
[need a pool of scribe volunteers to rotate the duty]

Carole volunteered

approve minutes from previous 2 meetings
minutes from June 15 pending, action Simon
minutes from July 20 https://markmail.org/thread/b6umprhsmbvdbdly

- The minutes from the last meeting (20 July) are approved (df moved, John seconded, no dissent).

The minutes from the previous meeting (15 June) are still pending. We will be approving them at the next meeting.

2. Material

DMLex WD Technical discussion

Based on technical contributions received by 20th August 2020 [none received]
Continue discussion of design principles
Review Michal's finding on the use of subentries and subsenses in ELEXIS data
Do we have consensue on the fused design principles?
https://github.com/oasis-tcs/lexidma/wiki/Fused-revised-design-principles

- The chair acknowledged the late contribution email sent by Michal earlier today on "Embedding and recursion in dictionaries: preliminary observations".

https://markmail.org/message/wgzdw4234qtjrzof

As Michal and Milos were unfortunately not present at today's meeting, we will revisit Michal's action item at the next meeting.

- We clarified the difference between nesting and recursion.

--Recursion: A mathematical phenomenon; a special kind of nesting where an object/element of one type is allowed to contain other objects/elements of the same type. Allows for infinite looping which we want to avoid

--Nesting: an object/element is allowed to contain other objects/elements. (Ilan noted that nesting is the term more familiar to lexicography)

One of the design principles still under consideration states "Avoid recursion (of the core elements)"
Michal's email and the minutes from the previous meeting already show that dictionaries rarely go beyond two levels. The question is whether nesting is still done by lexicographers who create a dictionary in 2020, as as Simon explains, the LEXIDMA model should cover the situations lexicographers find themselves in when compiling a dictionary in 2020. It does not necessarily have to cover all the situations that TEI Lex-0 and Ontolex-Lemon cover.
Lexicography currently finds itself in a transition period with XML and the traditional way of thinking to a more relational way of thinking (a route already taken by Ontolex). So for instance, you can have senses within senses, but you model them all as senses and then specify the relations between them.

On the basis of this, a new design principle is added (under the principles that are still under consideration): Prefer relational modeling to nesting. https://github.com/oasis-tcs/lexidma/wiki/Fused-revised-design-principles was edited during the meeting to reflect this.

3. Closing Admin

Recap of agreed actions

- The date of the next meeting is on 21 September 2020.

- pending action on Simon for June minutes

- pending action on Michal for multilevel embedding findings in historical dictionary data

AOB - none
Adjourn [no later than 1400 UTC]

- The meeting was adjourned at 16:00 Central European Summer Time.

Owner: Dr. David Filip
Group: OASIS Lexicographic Infrastructure Data Model and API (LEXIDMA) TC
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