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Subject: Re: [oasis-charter-discuss] MOX Charter comments - Licensing
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008, William Cox wrote: > The work is interesting and broadly applicable; surely a goal of the > proposers is to have it broadly used? > > But there's a confusing combination of RAND licensing terms and the repeated > statement "Other contributions will be accepted for consideration without any > prejudice or restrictions and evaluated based on technical merit insofar as > they conform to this charter." ([Sections (1)(b) and (1)(c)] > > On the one hand, the output will be on RAND terms (which, BTW, encompasses RF > with RAND terms - just with zero cost). On the other, you call for > contributions, say they will be "accepted for consideration" - which seems > vague - , and "evaluated". But I don't see "accepted". And if you "accept" > such contributions, that certainly will affect the RAND terms. > > Unless, of course, those in at the beginning plan to accept gratis > contributions from others that will then be licensed back to them. > > This does not match most familiar business models -- are you soliciting > "free donations"? Will you then license them back at a fee? Who would want to > participate? > > Most confusing. This both limits effective contributions (as "other > contributions" have no clear path to participating in the licensing > discussing), and limits adoption (as competing specs will no doubt appear if > the licensing terms are at all burdensome). > > (1)(f) says that the anticipated audience/users are "SOA vendors". Again, the > licensing appears to make it difficult for open source projects to use the > planned output of the TC. > > Even with RF terms there can issues of distribution, where a burdensome > license may hinder typical packaging and redistribution, e.g., where an RF > license requires individual customers to access and accept a license before > using a product distribution from a third party. But we don't know the > intended (or even projected) RAND terms. > > In short, the combination of intended use, likely audience, and IPR terms is > problematic, and doesn't make sense to me in its current form. This needs to > be addressed in the Charter. > > > bill cox > -- > William Cox > wtcox@CoxSoftwareArchitects.com > +1 862 485 3696 mobile > +1 908 277 3460 fax Apropos of this message above by William Cox and another message by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> I find it disturbing that the IPR mode is "RAND"... http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oasis-charter-discuss/200809/msg00018.html I think it should be noted to the list that the matter of RAND IPR Mode has been called out in another forum, explicitly mentioning that the Open Web Foundation (OWF) has a role to play in attracting the interest of groups that have no interest in OASIS' RAND TCs. I think the message is publicly readable, but in case not, I here capture its text. On OWF, see the summary document Open Web Foundation (OWF) http://xml.coverpages.org/owf.html ============================================================================ http://groups.google.com/group/open-web-discuss/t/418ae775150341d http://groups.google.com/group/open-web-discuss/msg/6f63fdd674c82a05 http://groups.google.com/group/open-web-discuss/msg/bb9d034f0114604f From: "Lawrence Rosen" <lro...@rosenlaw.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:48:36 -0700 Local: Fri, Sep 19 2008 6:48 pm Subject: OASIS considering RAND working group To: Open Web Foundation discussion list I recently learned that OASIS may charter a working group to standardize on the "Semantic Mapping of XML (MOX)". Buried in the proposal [1] is the following statement: (1)(e) Specification of the IPR Mode under which the TC will operate. The TC shall operate under: RAND I hope that nobody in OWF will support or cooperate with any such RAND working groups. In fact, this attempt by OASIS to create a RAND working group gives OWF the opportunity to do this kind of standardization work instead of them. I can't imagine that many companies want to pay royalties to practice semantic mapping of XML in industry standard ways. /Larry [1] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oasis-charter-discuss/200809/msg... tml cc: OASIS Board of Directors via Eduardo Gutentag Lawrence Rosen Rosenlaw & Einschlag, a technology law firm ( <http://www.rosenlaw.com> www.rosenlaw.com) 3001 King Ranch Road, Ukiah, CA 95482 707-485-1242 * cell: 707-478-8932 * fax: 707-485-1243 Skype: LawrenceRosen ============================================================================== (message forwarded by: Robin Cover OASIS, Director of Information Services Editor, Cover Pages and XML Daily Newslink http://xml.coverpages.org/ http://xml.coverpages.org/newsletterArchive.html +1 972-296-1783 ) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >
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