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Subject: RE: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp

I've never seen any running ODF code from HaanSoft or Corel, though they've both indicated that they have plans in this area.  So we could invite them based on their plans and they would attend based on how mature their plans actually are.  RedHat doesn't own an ODF implementation per-se, but they are an important part of the fidelity story via their fonts.



Rob Weir
Software Architect
Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
IBM Software Group

email: robert_weir@us.ibm.com
phone: 1-978-399-7122
blog: http://www.robweir.com/blog/

"Dee Schur" <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>

06/01/2007 10:13 AM

<robert_weir@us.ibm.com>, "'Louis Suarez-Potts'" <luispo@mac.com>
<Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM>, "'Jane Harnad'" <jane.harnad@oasis-open.org>, "'John McCreesh'" <jpmcc@openoffice.org>, <odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org>, <pim.vandereijk@oasis-open.org>, "'Peter Roden'" <peter.roden@oasis-open.org>
RE: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp

From our last call, I also have HaanSoft, Corel and Red Hat. Would they be appropriate?

From: robert_weir@us.ibm.com [mailto:robert_weir@us.ibm.com]
Friday, June 01, 2007 10:07 AM
Louis Suarez-Potts
Dee Schur; Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM; 'Jane Harnad'; 'John McCreesh'; odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org; pim.vandereijk@oasis-open.org
Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp


Would it be worth focusing on a single application time for this first interoperability event?  Say, just word processors?  I think it would be difficult to ensure that we have enough people with sufficient expertise in all three applications from all vendors, and even if we could, any topic would be interesting to only 1/3 of the engineers.

So, if we focused on just ODF word processors, we could invite:

1) OpenOffice on Linux, Mac and Windows (we would want to consider cross platform fidelity issues even with a single application, and OO is a good example for this)

2) IBM

3) KDE

4) Google Docs

5) AbiWord

6) CleverAge (for the Word Plugin) or maybe Novell handles this?

7) ZohoWriter?

8) Anyone else?



Rob Weir
Software Architect
Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software
IBM Software Group

email: robert_weir@us.ibm.com
phone: 1-978-399-7122
blog: http://www.robweir.com/blog/

Louis Suarez-Potts <luispo@mac.com>

06/01/2007 04:58 AM

Dee Schur <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>
Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM, odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org, "'John McCreesh'" <jpmcc@openoffice.org>, "'Jane Harnad'" <jane.harnad@oasis-open.org>, pim.vandereijk@oasis-open.org
Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp




On 2007-05-30, at 16:16 , Dee Schur wrote:

> Hi Louis and Dieter,
> I think these are both great ideas but slightly different, which is  
> good.


> Louis,
> I think your camp concept is terrific

(not mine; Don came up with the idea, but it is good)

> and can easily be coordinated through
> the Adoption TC with you as a lead.

I'd rather have Dieter lead the camp; Dieter and Rob, say, as the  
camp must be technical and I'm not technically competent enough to  
pose as lead, let alone lead.

> Since there will be no presentations, it
> seems to me that as long as you secure the space, you will be set.  
> OASIS can
> promote the 'ODF Camp' in the same manner we always do (posting to  
> event
> page, OASIS News, etc.) So, as soon as you have a written description
> inviting participants, we can move forward with various postings.

Great, let's start inviting :-)

Dieter, Rob (if you are here...):

Let's coordinate on inviting candidates.  We can coordinate off this  
list but why? I'd like to invite essentially all those implementing  
ODF or wanting to.  I don't have contacts in all these companies.

But I think we have to finalize the invitations by, say, end of next  

> Dieter,
> I think your concept will take longer to execute properly, so we  
> might think
> about late in 2007 or 2008. During the last Adoption call we tossed  
> around
> the idea of a stand alone ODF event (one or two days), that can either
> co-locate with another conference or act as a stand alone that could
> possibly be hosted at a member facility in various locations. Once  
> you put
> this type of effort together it is easy to duplicate in different  
> locations.
> I would like each member to consider hosting such an event and/or  
> suggest an
> event/conference that would an appropriate venue for 'ODF Day(s).'  
> I think
> an Asian venue would be interesting, any thoughts? I would like to  
> see how
> much interest we have for this before we commit a lot of cycles. I  
> think it
> is a great idea, and ODF is gaining tremendous speed but I will  
> need the
> support of the Adoption TC.

Dee, I think I resolved Dieter's points, and I think Dieter was  
thinking of presentations in the context of OOoCon. Last year and  
year before and year before that we had tracks on ODF; this year will  
likely be no different. So, we can have ODF presentations throughout  
the conference, without OASIS' specific intervention, though your  
support would always be helpful.

> Thanks so much!
> Dee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM [mailto:Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:21 AM
> To: Louis Suarez-Potts
> Cc: Dee Schur; odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org; John McCreesh;  
> Jane Harnad
> Subject: Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp
> Hi,
> I would love to see technical presentations (e.g. reports from the
> Metadata SC, Formula SC, ...) as well as status presentations (e.g.  
> roadmap, ODF adoption, ...).
> Furthermore we should have workshops on ODF interoperability in ODF
> enabled applications (OOo, KOffice, ...) and ODF processing (server  
> and
> client side).
> Taking the ODF Toolkit project into account, I hope that we can  
> attract
> additional audience outside the classic OOo public.
> Regards,
> Dieter
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> Louis Suarez-Potts schrieb:
>> Hi
>> On 2007-05-29, at 21:12 , Dee Schur wrote:
>>> Hi Louis,
>>> We did discuss your email on the ODF Adoption call this morning  
>>> and I was
>>> hoping that you would have joined the call.
>>> It was mentioned that it may be difficult to keep attendees with  
>>> split
>>> session (19 and 21 of September) on ODF. I'm not certain that  
>>> this is a
>>> problem.
>> Depends.
>>> In terms of the ODF camp, how many competing tracks will occur
>>> simultaneously? Is this a speaker/presentation format? If so, how  
>>> many
>>> speakers? Or is it an interactive learning event with tutorials and
>>> clinics?
>>> Is this a plug-fest? Who will select the presenters, are you on the
>>> programme committee?
>> Camp: it's a workshop. No presentations except impromptu ones.  
>> Rather,
>> work on code.
>>> If we do a showcase/demo, I would like to approach the participating
>>> vendors
>>> about sponsorship after I understand the openoffice.org conference
>>> funding
>>> model.
>> Model: We ask for donations. See
>> http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2007/sponsorship.html
>>> But OOoCon may not be in favor of vendors demoing their products?
>> Indeed, we are not. We are in favour of vendors speaking about
>> experience about their experience with their products, esp. if they
>> concern OOo--are derived from it or in some way relate to it. Example
>> could be, KOffice speaking about heterogeneous environment,  
>> KOffice/OOo,
>> say.
>>> A
>>> traditional OASIS InterOp would require a scenario that solves a  
>>> business
>>> problem and solution, they are non-promotional in nature but members
>>> report
>>> that the InterOps drive business to their company. Of course,  
>>> open-source
>>> participation would also be encouraged. I also wanted to pursue the
>>> InterOp
>>> because we are trying to increase membership in the Adoption TC  
>>> and the
>>> possibility of participating in this event would encourage these
>>> potential
>>> new members to join the Adoption TC.
>> OOo and ODF are not quite like regular OASIS formats, I think.
>> The point of the camp is actually to improve interoperability  
>> among the
>> ODF implementations. But the presentations, given at OOoCon, must  
>> really
>> relate to OOo, as well as ODF.
>>> Do we have any idea of number and type of attendees? It is my
>>> understanding
>>> that this event is heavily attended by public sector folks or is it
>>> mostly
>>> developers?
>> Both. In years past, numbers have trended up from 300-350.  I  
>> think this
>> year it will be more popular.
>>> I have many more questions, maybe we should plan another call  
>>> since it
>>> sounds like you are under the gun.
>> Quite. :-)
>> But I'm in Moscow for the next couple of days, then back to London. I
>> can manage one via Skype or equiv., but I want to hear from  
>> Dieter, too.
>>> Thanks!
>>> Dee
>> best
>> louis
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Louis Suarez-Potts [mailto:luispo@mac.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:28 PM
>>> To: odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org
>>> Cc: John McCreesh; Dee Schur; Dieter Loeschky
>>> Subject: need confirmation on ODF Camp
>>> Hi
>>> A couple of days ago I sent a note to this list, cc'ing Dee Schur  
>>> and
>>> several others. [0].
>>> No response so far. That's unfortunate. We need to decide on the
>>> logistics of the event, and soon.
>>> Here is the idea:
>>> Wednesday have a 1/2 or even full day "camp" that would work on
>>> "normalizing" interoperability among ODF implementations.
>>> Options:
>>> ** It could run in parallel to the regular scheduled talks, as a  
>>> stream.
>>> Or,
>>> ** it would be one of the streams
>>> The latter option would necessary crowd out other papers.
>>> Opinions?
>>>   My own preference would be to have a parallel track.
>>> Please respond as soon as you can.
>>> best
>>> Louis

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