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Subject: [office] OpenDocument TC Work-Call Meeting Minutes 2006-03-27
Attendees --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nathaniel Borenstein, IBM Robert Weir, IBM Yue Ma, IBM David Faure, KDE Peter Korn, Sun Microsystems Lars Oppermann, Sun Microsystemms Florian Reuter, Sun Microsystems Gary Edwards, OpenDocument Foundation Daniel Carrera, OpenDocument Foundation Acceptance of Minutes from Last Call --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The attending TC members unanimously accepted the minutes from the last work call Action Items --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael, David: settings - ongoing Lars, Mime types: sent to IANA, wait another week for reply, than ask again cc Nathaniel Discussion --------------------------------------------------------------------------- tables in presentations peter: information must be available, so the useragent can know something is a table also for apps, that are making an alternative presentations (e.g. talking book) needs to know, what is a table-header, what is a row and so on michael, currently no tables for presentations lars, what about text:frame/table:table michael: for interop, they should be allowed anywhere florian: difference in ODF can only contain text (paragraphs). In powerpoint, they can contain shapes, it's more like a grouping mechanism yue ma: table must be available in file format, application can chose any rendering peter: how do I create a table in a OOo presentation michael: feature not available there only way to have table in presentation is through embedding. everything else is just drawing shapes/groups (e.g. powerpoint import) peter: why not reuse spreadsheet michael: explain? spreadsheet as special drawing object? full spreadsheet as embedded object? peter: the latter florian: important issue is roundtrip with MS formats (grid layout). If that is sufficient for A11Y, we would like to implement it that way peter, no objection to that ACTION: florian to deliver proposal for table/grid in presentations and A11Y to see whether it fulfills the requirement peter: also looking at navigation (keyboard navigation) in A11Y (out of scope) would come up with an advise document for implementors. (focus-next et al...) peter: e.g. there are different approaches to create a list and one of them is not persisted in the file format michael: there is a set of buttons for list level and one for indent... peter: this is another thing the A11Y is looking into (advise for authors)... Make it difficult for authors to do the wrong thing malte is looking into OOo issues michael: david, sent item re default style for table rows and cols spec leaves open whether this also applied to automatically created cells do not have an answer yet we should clarify this in the spec peter: I have another question re tables what is the time line for tables (florians action) what version of ODF would it go in florian: A11Y wants it fast, right? peter: we are dividing our work, doing things first that we see as being competition critical and we are adressing issues that do not have this competitive impact later we hope to have comp features in place (and maybe even implemented) by end of year michael: we can get an OASIS approved spec by years end full approval takes at least four month, last two weeks are voting we don't want to have this in december so we need to start the process in july peter: so we want to have tables in what we put forward in july michael: if there are comments that need to be addressed during the review, the date can slip, and so there is no gurantee to have it ready by years end peter: thats why we are aiming at june michael: we in the TC only care about the file format. we need certifications of usage of the standard in order to become an oasis standard. so we need people that are committed to do implementations. david: what is status on - nested lists/numbered paragraphs ACTION: florian to follow up with writer. New Action Items --------------------------------------------------------------------------- florian to deliver proposal for table/grid in presentations and A11Y to see whether it fulfills the requirement florian to follow up with writer on nested lists/numbering of paragraphs > ACTION: florian to follow up with writer.
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