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Subject: OpenDocuemnt TC Coordination Call Minutes 2007-01-15
Yue Ma, IBM Helen Yue, IBM Robert Weir, IBM Patric Durusau David Faure, KDE Jody Goldberg, Novell Florian Reueter, Novell Michael Brauer, Sun Microsystems Lars Oppermann, Sun Microsystems Oliver Wittmann, Sun Microsystems David A Wheeler, OpenDocument Foundation Gary Edwards, OpenDocument Foundation Minutes from Dec. 18th The attending TC members unanimously accepted the minutes from the last coordination call. No pending action items News... Michael: today is the 15th and the ODF 1.1 Ballot will open today. - uploaded draft version for 1.2 on Friday - adopted to ISO formatting rules - easier to make changes now, notes and examples are marked up according to ISO rules and this is now handled by fields in the document - also did some consistency checks and improvements - didn't marl minor editorial changes explicitly as such - changes that might be regarded at non-trivial are maked up with yellow background color - especially schema changes - everyone should review these changes, so that the markup can be removed and we can than use the marks for new things that we introduce with 1.2 - maybe we can aim for approving that draft version in two weeks and use that as a baseline - next step will be splitting the document into main and package part - will also get together with DavidW on adding formulas as the third part - I will also start to integrate the agreed upon proposals Michael: For today we have a couple of proposals that we discussed during past work calls but that have no formal approval yet. - I only got to update the wiki pages today which I will try to do earlier in the coming weeks - so we only look into proposals that are out for some time today Protection keys (4.4.3...): - discussed before holiday break - open issue: inclusion of attribute value describing MS excel algorithm Michael: Jody, do you know whether there is a URL which can be used to refer to that algorithm Jody: next meeting is in Febuary, we will discuss it there Michael: there is no rush, as we can allow any URL there Jody: we should have on in the standard anyway, otherwise implementors wouldn't know what to put Rob: we corrently say SHA-1 is the default and it has been attacked several times ... maybe we should use SHA-256 as the default Lars: a secure container even for this not secure feature, because the user might use a password that is used for other more sensitive data. Hence the possibility to break the protection key password would open other vectors of attack on the user's other data Michael: the schema default does not have an impact on the application default Patrick: is there any good reason for the schema default different from the proposed application default Michael: this is the fall back to use when the algorithm is not specified in the digest attribute. So we would want to keep the default for backwards compatibility DavidW: the attribute should be mandatory in 1.2 (you can also tell SHA256 from SHA1 by its length) - but it is probably most sensible to leave it optional for old implementation but recommend to use SHA254 in the spec. pp/ff in index example (22.214.171.124) Michael: proposal is to change the text for combining and make clear, that the combination of index entries (when the index is updated) is application (language) dependent - no objection Numbered paragraphs and lists Michael: we had two proposal which Oliver proposed to merge by adding index... Oliver: for numbered paragraphs, the current spec has nothing to say about the numbering domain - with style override, application has the possibility to group ... - also fulfills David's requirement of defining different styles on the same livel within a single list (e.g. 1., 2., C., D., 5...) - style override is a better match for Lists - addition is that by default all numbered paragraphs belong to one list Florian, I don't want to have two different list models in ODF, I don#t think that the two ways of specifying lists (lists/num-para) are equal Oliver: the current spec is somewhat imprecise ... I think was is indented when you have five numbered paragraph is that by default they belong to one list .. I will post a description of how you can convert between the two ways of writing a list David: Florian should post an example of a list where there is a problem with conversion between the two presentations David: all of the numbered paragraphs are not always part of the same counter-domain. If you use a heading on a certain level, it sets up the counter domain for numbered paragraphs in that section... Next call: TC Work call, 2007-01-22, 7am PT (3pm GMT).