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Subject: Re: [office] ODF at Microsoft Interoperability Track at XML 2007


I have no real moral qualms about allowing vendors to buy conference 
tracks as it does help with conference expenses.

However, I do think there should be some "good taste" and timing 
restrictions on major issues like interoperability.

Such as have the other *major* vendors with an interest in the area been 
given an opportunity to display their products?

I would hate to think that markup has devolved from the heady days when 
demonstrating any interoperability at all was the high point of a markup 
conference that multiple apps could read the same SGML file to hawking a 
single vendor's plugin merits a conference title of "interoperability."

Who knows? The next type of doublespeak we will be seeing is recasting 
"vertical monopoly" as "vertical interoperability" if that hasn't 
happened already.

I have heard rumors, rumors only mind you, of serious discussions in the 
offing with OASIS at the center of *real* non-vendor specific, gasp, can 
it be?, standards based interoperability discussions early next year. 
That would be really welcome relief to vendor sponsored FUD and equally 
not useful two and three letter vendor 'Bleak House' type machinations 
around the globe. As one standards "type" person to another, I would 
like to see serious threats by ISO/IEC/JTC 1 of "life time" bans of 
participants for conduct not promoting standardization. (Noting that 
protests of ignorance or innocence will fall on deaf ears here so guilty 
parties *across* the vendor-scape need not bother.)

Hope you are having a Happy Thanksgiving!


Carol Geyer wrote:
> FYI, Microsoft will be hosting an Interoperability track at the XML 2007
> conference in Boston on 4 Dec. The track will feature a session, "Document
> Interop: Ecma Office Open XML and OASIS ODF" with Miguel de Icaza of Novell
> Inc.
> See the invitation below from Craig Kitterman of Microsoft.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Kitterman [mailto:Craig.Kitterman@microsoft.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:52 PM
> To: Carol Geyer
> Cc: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: Microsoft Interoperability Release
> All conference attendees are invited to participate in the session.  The more
> the merrier :-)
> Cheers,
> -C
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carol Geyer [mailto:carol.geyer@oasis-open.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:06 PM
> To: Craig Kitterman
> Cc: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> Subject: FW: Microsoft Interoperability Release
> Craig,
> Joy Blake was kind enough to forward your email to me. With your permission,
> I'd be happy to let the members of the OASIS ODF Committees know about this
> opportunity to participate. I can forward your email to our publicly archived
> mail lists, or I can ask both of the Committee chairs personally to attend or
> send representatives from their TCs.
> Carol
> _________________________________
> Carol Geyer
> Director of Communications
> +1.978.667.5115 x209
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Kitterman [mailto:Craig.Kitterman@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:01 PM
> To: Joy Blake
> Subject: RE: Microsoft Interoperability Release
> Hi Joy-
> We already have Miguel de Icaza from Novell to help lead the document format
> discussion.  I do hope however that the Oasis folks do come to participate
> in the discussion.
> Thanks!
> -C
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Patrick Durusau
Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34
Acting Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps)
Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)
Co-Editor, OpenDocument Format (OASIS, ISO/IEC 26300)

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