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Subject: Re: [office] Proposal for Radio Button grouping

Thinking some more about grouping, I still don't see thast there is any need to have a group-name for radio buttons.  They are already logically grouped by the name.  I imagine a screenreader, for example, would treat the set in the same way as a select control and read "select w,x,y or z" for the named radio buttons.

Checkboxes (and other controls) on the other hand may indeed benefit from grouping in order to render the semantics of  "select all of the following which apply".  Perhaps this grouping could be reasonably achieved through a <form:frame> element which already does support <form:name>, <form:label> and <form:title> attributes.  As a recommendation one could then specify that all input controls which form a coherent group should be contained within a <form:frame> with a name/label/title which could be exposed to the accessibility API (regardless of whether this frame is a visible element or not).  This seems to be the closest equivalent of a html frameset.

Alternatively these, and perhaps all, elements should have a form:group-name attribute, but I prefer the approach above.


2008/8/5 Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>


We will need to ensure there is a name we can expose to the accessibility API. Is form:group-name or name="string" the name of the group that will be rendered? If not we will need to add <svg:title> somewhere in there for the short name.


Rich Schwerdtfeger
Distinguished Engineer, SWG Accessibility Architect/Strategist
Chair, IBM Accessibility Architecture Review Board
blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/schwer
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[office] Proposal for Radio Button grouping

As you probably know, ODF currently defines the exclusive selection
semantics of radio controls based on radio controls with the same name,
similar to how this is done in HTML:

ODF 1.1, section 11.3.14:    "The <form:radio> element describes controls
which act like check boxes except that when several radio buttons share
the same control name they are mutually exclusive. When one button is on,
all of the other buttons with the same name are off. If no radio button is
initially on, the way in which the application chooses which button to
turn on initially is undefined."

On today's ODF TC call the following ODF 1.2 proposal was discussed:  

This proposal would add a form:group-name attribute to the form:radio
element in section 11.3.14, as an alternative way to specify grouped radio
buttons.  It is not stated how to resolve situations where both grouping
methods are in simultaneous, possibly contradictory use.

The Proposer has requested a vote on this proposal for next Monday.  If
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