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Subject: Re: [office] ODF 1.2 cd 01 - separation of attributes of namespacestyle in chapter 18 and 19


The criteria used to separate the attributes into chapters 18 or 19 was:

Does the attribute appear on a <style:*-properties> element?

If the answer is yes, then the attribute appears in chapter 19.

If the answer is no, then the attribute appears in chapter 18.

For those that appear in both, you will note that the attributes appear 
both on <style:*-properties> and on other elements as well.

I wanted to preserve that fact for the time being.

I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment but do note that 
style:style and style:style-name reference styles, so in what sense 
would you say they are "formatting" properties?

Would you argue that we should use a definition of "formatting" property 
to be one that specifies some aspect of presentation and that is not a 
reference to a style?

Take 18.502 style:num-format for instance. It is an attribute on 
<text:list-level-style-number>, which is itself a child of 
<text:list-style>, which specifies and provides a name for referencing a 
list style.

Of course you can reply by pointing to the appearance of this attribute 
on <text:word-count> where it clearly isn't used as part of a style, 
although it does affect the presentation of information.

My personal suspicion is that we haven't been completely consistent in 
separating all formatting to be applied via styles as distinct from 
structure. That is actually quite difficult and any division of 
formatting versus structure represents a series of choices that 
determine other choices. We may want to revisit some of those choices 
for ODF-Next but at this point I suspect we need to settle for a basis 
on which we can articulate the current division.

Hope you are having a great day!


Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:
> Hi Patrick, hi Michael,
> on my review of the editor's notes on attributes of namespace style I 
> have the following comments on the separation of the style-attributes, 
> especially for the ones, which occur in both chapters (18 and 19):
> - style:font-charset, style:font-family-generic and style:font-pitch
> IMHO, these are formatting properties also in the context of 
> <style:font-face>. Thus, integration the corresponding sub chapters of 
> chapter 18 into chapter 19
> - style:num-format, style:num-letter-sync, style:num-prefix and 
> style:num-suffix
> IMHO, these are formatting properties, especially in the context of 
> list style respectively list level styles.
> - style:rel-height and style:rel-width
> These are formatting properties in my eyes.
> - Most style-attributes, which currently occur in chapter 18, but for 
> whose the element, in which they occur, belong to formatting property 
> chapter 16, are also formatting properties in my eyes.
> These are, if I did not miss any one:
> - style:char
> - style:color
> - style:distance
> - style:distance-before-sep
> - style:distance-after-sep
> - style:height
> - style:leader-color
> - style:leader-style
> - style:leader-type
> - style:leader-width
> - style:length
> - style:line-style
> - style:lines
> - style:position
> - style:repeat
> - style:style
> - style:style-name
> - style:vertical-align
> - style:width
> But not:
> - style:filter-name
> Best regards, Oliver

Patrick Durusau
Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34
Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps)
Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300
Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)

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