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Subject: Re: [office] ODF 1.2 cd 01 - separation of attributes of namespacestyle in chapter 18 and 19

Hi Patrick,

Michael has already told me the separation criteria.

I want to give my view on it in order to more or less start a discussion 
about how we should separate the attributes.
But, you are right. For the moment we need a clear separation criteria 
and can revisit it in our next ODF version - I am fine with that.

Please assure for ODF 1.2 in case that an attribute occurs in both 
chapters, that the text content is not simply the same ;-)

Best regards, Oliver.

Patrick Durusau wrote:
> Oliver,
> The criteria used to separate the attributes into chapters 18 or 19 was:
> Does the attribute appear on a <style:*-properties> element?
> If the answer is yes, then the attribute appears in chapter 19.
> If the answer is no, then the attribute appears in chapter 18.
> For those that appear in both, you will note that the attributes appear 
> both on <style:*-properties> and on other elements as well.
> I wanted to preserve that fact for the time being.
> I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment but do note that 
> style:style and style:style-name reference styles, so in what sense 
> would you say they are "formatting" properties?
> Would you argue that we should use a definition of "formatting" property 
> to be one that specifies some aspect of presentation and that is not a 
> reference to a style?
> Take 18.502 style:num-format for instance. It is an attribute on 
> <text:list-level-style-number>, which is itself a child of 
> <text:list-style>, which specifies and provides a name for referencing a 
> list style.
> Of course you can reply by pointing to the appearance of this attribute 
> on <text:word-count> where it clearly isn't used as part of a style, 
> although it does affect the presentation of information.
> My personal suspicion is that we haven't been completely consistent in 
> separating all formatting to be applied via styles as distinct from 
> structure. That is actually quite difficult and any division of 
> formatting versus structure represents a series of choices that 
> determine other choices. We may want to revisit some of those choices 
> for ODF-Next but at this point I suspect we need to settle for a basis 
> on which we can articulate the current division.

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