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Subject: RE: [office] <style:default-style>, <style:default-page-layout>

On Fri, 2009-05-22 at 14:48 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> 1. Andreas: It is indeed the case you raise that I had in mind.  If a
> "default" is explicit in the file, put their by the generating application,
> we are fine.  When the generating application does not do that, and the
> consumers each have their own approach (the implementation specific value)
> that is taken silently, that is the problem.


I was commenting on the fact that Patrick seemed to miss that the
default-style in the file and the implementation-default style could be

I still do not see a problem here.

Yes, the document could indeed look different in a reading
implementation that has different defaults. But I find that positive.
The creating application could fix all styles in the file if it desired
to have the appearance fixed, but I can also imagine situation where you
do not want that to happen. (In the academic world with respect to
journal submission in Mathematics you hardly ever would want that
happen, but of course it would be very unlikely that a file format like
ODF would ever be acceptable for this purpose.


> 2. Patrick: With regard "there isn't any 'otherwise an implementation
> specific value is taken.'"  I don't understand.  I am looking directly at
> the second full paragraph of 15.2 in cd01 rev06 and the statement is right
> there.  It is also there in cd02, approved since my original remark.  So the
> statement is there.  So what is it you are saying there isn't one of?  What
> do you think that sentence means?
>  - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas J. Guelzow [mailto:aguelzow@math.concordia.ab.ca] 
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 13:58
> To: office@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [office] <style:default-style>, <style:default-page-layout>
> On Fri, 2009-05-22 at 16:46 -0400, Patrick Durusau wrote:
> > Dennis,
> > 
> > Just now getting to this in my effort to clear editorial notes.
> > 
> > Note from 15.2, the language you cite:
> > 
> > > "If a value for the formatting property has not been found, then the
> default
> > > style (see 15.3) that has the same family as the style that has been
> > > referenced initially is checked. If it specifies a value for the
> formatting
> > > property, then this value is taken. Otherwise an implementation specific
> > > value is taken."
> > There isn't any "otherwise an implementation specific value is taken."
> > 
> > By definition the "default" style is defined by the implementation.
> > 
> > Unless you think we are saying:
> > 
> > 1. Defined styles
> > 
> > 2. Default style (defined by the application)
> > 
> > 3. Application specific value but not as part of a style definition.
> > 
> > I am not sure I see #2 and #3 as being different, except that we do 
> > refer to default styles belonging to families.
> > 
> > I do agree that what you say is a way out, although it isn't the way I 
> > would prefer. My preference being, perhaps in ODF-Next, to define styles 
> > so that some similarity in appearance can be had across conforming 
> > implementations. Appearance really has very little, in my view, to do 
> > with interoperability but that viewpoint has not carried the day. ;-)
> > 
> Hi,
> I think that you may be missing the point that there may be 2
> implementations involved. So we have the following list of priorities:
> 1. defined style
> 2. default-style contained in ODF file (and apparently put there by the
> implementation that created the file. That default style may originally
> been implementation dependent but has now been fixed for this file.)
> 3. default style not contained in the ODF file that depends on teh
> implementation reading/displaying the file.
> Andreas
> > 
Andreas J. Guelzow, PhD, FTICA
Coordinator, Mathematical & Computing Sciences
Concordia University College of Alberta

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