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Subject: Re: [office] SC34 Ballot N1414 "New Work Item Proposal on DocumentPackaging"


On 6/6/2010 1:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> I mean, of course, competence in supporting standards-based interoperability by appropriate development of a specification suitable as an international standard.
Well, but that presumes subject matter competence.

Data compression, as I understand the term, is at least as complex an 
area as document formats, and I would deeply resist a data compression 
group suddenly deciding it had the competence to standardize a sub-set 
of either ODF or OOXML.

Realize that is the argument that is being made, in addition to the 
other difficulties with the proposal.

> If one believes that standards-based interoperability is not a matter of importance in this case, that is a different matter I suppose.  But it does raise the question of what it means for standards-based interoperability to be sought using specifications that rely on non-standards-based interoperability at their foundation.  Unless of course, we are not attempting standards-based interoperability ourselves.
You really need to see if the JTC 1 marketing department has an opening 
with rhetoric like that. ;-)

The notion of "...standards-based interoperability...." does not rest on 
standards only citing JTC 1 or even SC 34 work products.

Using Annex N we can create a "Referenced Specification" (RS).

I find it amusing to consider that one of the criteria is:

> the degree of market acceptance of the proposed RS; and

Err, how do you say *universal* in ISO speak?

Creating a "standard" for some sub-part of ZIP (assuming that is even 
meaningful and that we could do it without screwing up compatibility 
with the real ZIP standard) is the long way round to have a 
bibliographic citation of ZIP to support "...standards-based 

The only question is how to create a citation to a "standard" that 
already exists.

Why not take the easy route?

>   - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 10:31
> To: 'Patrick Durusau'; office@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [office] SC34 Ballot N1414 "New Work Item Proposal on Document Packaging"
> And, assuming the work is desirable, who do you have in mind as a more-competent body than JTC1 [SC34]?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Durusau [mailto:patrick@durusau.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 05:03
> To: office@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [office] SC34 Ballot N1414 "New Work Item Proposal on Document Packaging"
> [ ... ]
> All three options raise the issue of whether SC 34 is the competent body
> to undertake such work.
> Hope you are having a great day!
> Patrick

Patrick Durusau
Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34
Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps)
Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300
Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)

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