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Subject: [OASIS Issue Tracker] Commented: (OFFICE-3026) Public Comment: Part1 3.10.2 <config:config-item-set> too loose
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Dennis Hamilton commented on OFFICE-3026:
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OK, I think we can deal with that. For starters,
I think saying that something is implementation-dependent, as I presume application settings are, still has a certain semantic obligation, partly in how application settings are constrained structurally and perhaps a little bit nominally. That's not much, because we defer to what implementations of producers are designed to carry in application settings for potentical use by kindred consumers. We do not restrain how those parties negotiate any agreement on particular application settings. I believe we don't care about that, so long as that arrangement does not in some way collide with what is specifically defined as pertinent for an OpenDocument Document.
I thought that whatever semantics there are for application settings under the <office:settings> they would also be constrained not to interfere with what little semantics is specified, including the restriction we are attempting to craft.
Perhaps this is more helpful:
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In Section 3.10.1, add the following paragraph after the only paragraph currently there (in CD05):
"The interpretation, however determined, of application settings in the <office:settings> element of any class of OpenDocument Document (section 2.1) shall be consistent with the semantics explicitly defined by this specification for any element or attribute, insofar as the application setting applies to such elements or attributes.
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Getting warmer?
PS: Some people seem to think OpenDocument Documents markup elements have semantics defined by the ODF specification without there being a Consumer in sight. The wording of CD05-1 sectin 2.3(C) seems to suggest there is such a thing and that it is defined by the ODF 1.2 specification. Most of the descriptive text about elements and attributes seems to suggest something particular is conveyed by them and those statements seem to be consistent with how "semantics" seems to be used. I'm willing to go along with that, since I don't think we'll get anywhere fussing over metaphysical snarls about where semantics subsist and how they are evident.
> Public Comment: Part 1 3.10.2 <config:config-item-set> too loose
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>
> Key: OFFICE-3026
> URL: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/OFFICE-3026
> Project: OASIS Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) TC
> Issue Type: Sub-task
> Components: General, Needs Discussion, Public Review
> Affects Versions: ODF 1.2 CD 05
> Reporter: Dennis Hamilton
> Assignee: Robert Weir
> Fix For: ODF 1.2 CD 06
>
>
> The description is in the first attachment in the public comment posted at
> <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/201006/msg00071.html>
> The complete posted comment:
> <quote>
> The text describing the usage of config-item-sets has changed from ODF 1.1 to ODF 1.2 . It used to give examples of data to store in the config-item-sets, but these examples have been removed.
> Problem:
> In ODF 1.1 it was clear that the <config-item-set>-element was intended to be used to store application specific information such as zoom level and printer settings. So the element should be used to store settings that did not impact document layout nor document functionality. I would imagine that the reason for this element was to allow applications to store their individual settings as printer choice etc in the document - while still making sure that interoperability was not hurt (since these settings did not affect the document itself).
> However - this intention has somewhat failed, since not all vendors use this element exclusively for this purpose and several strategies for extending ODF has since emerged
> An example of "improper" extension of ODF (usage of <config-item-set>-element):
> OpenOffice.org stores a large number of settings that directly affect the document layout. These settings include (but are not limited to) "UseFormerLineSpacing", "AddParaTableSpacingAtStart",
> "IsKernAsianPunctuation", "CharacterCompressionType" etc. This is not the intended usage of the <config-item-set>-element since it directly affects the content of the document.
> An example of "proper" extension of ODF (usage of ODF extension mechanisms):
> Gnumeric defines a list of extensions to (primarily) ODF spreadsheets using the extension mechanisms of ODF. These include (but are not limited to) "gnm:GnmVAlign", "gnm:diagonal-bl-tr-line-style", "gnm:format-magic" etc. These are extensions to the functionality of ODF documents and they correctly use the extension mechanisms of ODF to do so.
> Further, ODF 1.2 introduces the notion of "extended documents" and this makes it even more important to be able to distinguish between documents that are extended and those that are not.
> Proposed solution:
> I propose to add the following to the specification:
> To 3.10.2 <config:config-item-set>:
> Add the following text:
> "The setting elements SHALL not contain settings that directly impact document functionality and SHALL not contain settings that impact document layout. Application settings that impact document functionality or impact document layout SHALL use the machanisms described in 21
> "Document Processing".
> Alternatively, add normatory, explanatory text to section 22.3.2 "OpenDocument Extended producers" clearly saying that any application using the <config:config-item-set>-element to store settings that affect document layout or functionality SHALL be labelled as an "Extended producer".
> Alternatively, add normatory, explanatory text to section 22.2.2 and 22.3.2:
> Documents using config-item-sets SHALL be of conformance class "OpenDocument extended documents" and Applications creating documents using config-item-sets SHALL be of conformance class "OpenDocument extended producers".
> </quote>
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