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Subject: Re: [oiic-formation-discuss] PROPOSAL -- Name change for proposed TC
- From: Andrew.Updegrove@gesmer.com
- To: oiic-formation-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:31:42 -0400
The following are selected out takes of Paul's email
to Craig:
>marbux <marbux@gmail.com> wrote on 06/20/2008
03:40:50 PM:
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Craig A. Eddy <tyche@cox.net>
wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
<snip>
> I did not expound on your affiliations. I asked questions about them.
> And as to abilities, my only criticism was the ignorance displayed
by
> the person person with legal training who drafted the content of your
> post....
In other words, Paul is calling Craig a lier, because
Paul can tell from a few words when someone must be lying. Craig
states that he wrote the post himself; Paul says that he did not.
<snip>
>This list has been inundated by people lacking
any familiarity with the factual and legal issues involved...
Paul, as you know, legal issues have been declared
unwelcome and out of scope. Yet you continue to expound on them on
a daily basis. Questions for the day:
- If all governments "down through all
levels" are legally required to adopt certain standards, just why
is it that so few of them do?
- If the Agreement on Technical Barriers to
Trade says what you say it does, why is it that it is never enforced in
that way?
- If standard setting is so rife with civil
and criminal risks, why is there _not a single individual_ in jail for
a criminal violation? Nor have I ever seen a single case of an individual,
as compared to a company, being fined for a standards-related antitrust
violation?
- Where are the hundreds of cases a year involving
standards violations, as compared to the five or six per year that are
actually filed globallyl?
- Why, therefore, does this pre-standards discussion
group have to continue to wallow in so much inapposite and inaccurate legalese?
>I do not accept your statement that you wrote
your
> post yourself without the assistance of a person with legal training
> unless you disclose that you have had such experience.
Again, Paul has become like The Shadow, who knows
what evil lurks in the hearts of men. Unless you satisfy Paul's demands
and requirements, you stand convicted by your own words. And yet,
per a recent post, Paul can't be bothered spending the time to substantiate
his own allegations, despite the obvious fact that he is allocating a significant
amount of time sending endless, repetitive emails to this list?
<snip>
> Fine with me. I'm not here looking for love.
I'm here to clean up an
> interop mess.
I note that no one else seems to believe that there
is such a horrible ODF "interop mess" or that if there is, it
was caused by those that you are convinced have caused it.
Rob, do we have to put up with this much longer?
Paul, I await your response to my suggestion regarding
W3C. For those that may not have been following that thread, I add
it in below. If you're not sure about how to go about asking the
question yourself, I'd be happy to call Steve Bratt (in my personal capacity,
and not in any way on behalf of OASIS) over at W3C and have him put me
in touch with the right person:
"Paul, it occurs to me that there is an easy
way out of this impasse [Craig stated that CDRF did not seem relevant to
our efforts] that should get you where you want to go. The best way
to credential your vision for the new TC would be to have the Chair of
the CDRF Working Group, or a W3C staff person, post a message of
support here that tells us (a) that they endorse your goal, (b) that they
think the results you hope for are technically feasible, and (c) that they
are committed to following a course of action that will ensure that any
efforts on our part would be fruitful. These points seem like only
basic good sense.
They also make good sense from a going forward basis. When standards
groups work together, they establish liaison relationships with each other,
to ensure that they coordinate with each other to maximum mutual benefit.
Commonly, a busy consortium will have about 40 such relationships.
So to do something meaning full with CDRF, it would make very good
sense to have such a relationship with W3C.
I'd suggest that you secure such an endorsement from W3C, and that until
then, we discontinue all further discussion of CDRF. We are all very
familiar with your frequently articulated arguments, so the endorsement
is the next logical step. When you arrange for that we can then speedily
move forward with a more informed decision."
Best regards,
Andy
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