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Subject: RE: [oiic-formation-discuss] Proposed Use case -- Interoperability in vertical and horizontal ODF markets

I just created a rule to delete all of marbux's messages.  I must say, it does make the backlog of emails a lot easier to read.  And, since his messages just seem to be quoted in replies, it cuts down on the number of times I have to read the legal garbage.

Garry L. Hurley Jr.
Application Developer 2
Office of Information Technology - Bureau of Application Development
PA Department of Labor & Industry
651 Boas Street, Harrisburg, PA 17121 
Phone: 717.506.9373 (UCMS) or 717.346.9799 (Harrisburg)  Fax: 717.506.0798  Mobile: 717.649.0597
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My comments do not reflect those of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, its various agencies and departments, or its citizens.  They are my own, and may or may not be shared by those in positions of authority over me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Pawson [mailto:dave.pawson@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 7:11 AM
To: oiic-formation-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [oiic-formation-discuss] Proposed Use case --
Interoperability in vertical and horizontal ODF markets

2008/6/28 marbux <marbux@gmail.com>:
> I just realized that your discussion of round-tripping as used in the
> da Vinci plug-ins also ignores and simply deflects from discussion of
> the absolute requirement of high-fidelity integration with existing
> silos of data stored in legacy formats as set forth in my use case's
> Market 5. And of course it ignores all user requirements for
> round-tripping documents with apps that do not support ODF, without
> data loss.

Round trip with an application that does not support ODF seems a dead end Paul.

> Many users need to hold two way conversations with apps that do not
> support ODF. E.g., in the law office market, many major law firms need
> to round-trip documents between WordPerfect and MS Word for
> conversations with clients and opposing counsel, in the negotiation of
> a document's language. Whether such feats are accomplished through a
> common intermediary language or by direct conversions of documents,
> the issue of feature mismatches in the respective metadata languages
> must be resolved to accomplish round-tripping.

As above. If the other app doesn't support ODF that's a no go area as I see it.
If you want to propose that, IMHO that's a feature request?

> There unquestionably is such a market requirement.


 This list is not the place to support it.

> Rob also attacks the very notion of enabling, through the ODF standard
> and the profile-related work on the OIIC TC, any non-lossy conversions
> between ODF and other formats.

ISO is starting to look at that. Not through OIIC though.


Dave Pawson

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