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Subject: Re: [opencsa-liaison] Namespaces and Specification CDs....
hi,
Do we need a meeting to discuss this or can it be handled via email?
cheers,
jeff
On Mar 07, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Martin Chapman wrote:
> Replying only to the SCA Liaison SC.
>
> Mary has basically informed us that we should be using namespaces
> in OpenSCA with a prefix of:
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/..., and Mary has an action
> item from a Steering Committee meeting to write this up.
> It is not clear to me why the /ns/ is before opensca, as no other
> TCs use this approach, but such is life.
> Thus I just wanted to make sure that all OpenSCA TCs are aware of
> this prefix.
>
> Cheers,
> Martin.
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mary
>> McRae
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:56 PM
>> To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com
>> Cc: 'Mike Edwards'; 'OASIS Assembly';
>> opencsa-liaison@lists.oasis-open.org
>> Subject: [sca-assembly] RE: [opencsa-liaison] RE:
>> [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs....
>>
>>
>> Thanks Ashok,
>>
>> Here's a good example showing interrelationships:
>>
>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsrmp/200702
>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/wsmc/200702
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ashok malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:34 PM
>>> To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>>> Cc: 'Mike Edwards'; 'OASIS Assembly';
>>> opencsa-liaison@lists.oasis-open.org
>>> Subject: Re: [opencsa-liaison] RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and
>>> Specification CDs....
>>>
>>>> And who will be providing the requisite namespace document?
>>>
>>> Mary, if you point me to one or more examples I will write the
>>> namespace document.
>>>
>>> Ashok
>>>
>>> Mary McRae wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One of the concerns expressed when the notion of a common
>>>> namespace was initially brought up was the matter of control and
>>>> approval. I believe that sca-policy was directed by the
>> sca-assembly
>>>> TC to use http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712. While
>>>> this document has not yet gone for Public Review, and no namespace
>>>> document was provided, I would like to ensure that this is all
>>>> worked out before more documents get to the Committee
>> Draft / Public
>>>> Review stage. Sca-bpel is **also** using the 200712 namespace. Who
>>>> will instruct the TCs that the namespace used in their
>>>> specifications needs to be updated? Should all namespace
>> requests be
>>>> handled by the Open CSA Liaison subcommittee?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And who will be providing the requisite namespace document?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mike Edwards [mailto:mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:25 PM
>>>> *To:* OASIS Assembly
>>>> *Subject:* RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Martin, Sanjay,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for digging this out. So, the formal proposal,
>> which should
>>>> be placed into the CD of the Assembly spec is:
>>>>
>>>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200803
>>>>
>>>> Now, this episode says also the following:
>>>>
>>>> a) we need to make clearer decisions as recorded in the meeting
>>>> minutes - this is a case of something very confusing being
>> recorded.
>>>> Not blaming anyone but myself as chair for that, but it
>> does need to
>>>> change.
>>>>
>>>> b) we need to vote again on the format, since there is a change
>>>> (forced by OASIS) from the format agreed by the TC
>>>> - don't think that anyone will object, but I'd like to see
>> a formal
>>>> agreement to the actual format that we're going to use
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yours, Mike.
>>>>
>>>> Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
>>>> Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
>>>> IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN,
>> Great Britain.
>>>> Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014 Mobile: +44-7802-467431
>>>> Email: mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
>>>>
>>>> *"Patil, Sanjay" <sanjay.patil@sap.com>*
>>>>
>>>> 26/02/2008 16:26
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Martin Chapman" <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, "OASIS Assembly"
>>>> <sca-assembly@lists.oasis-open.org>
>>>>
>>>> cc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you follow the link in Martin's email below and open the
>>>> attachment pointed at the bottom of that link, you will find the
>>>> right proposal [1] for the namespace URI design.
>>>>
>>>> The additional change OASIS staff later required is - insertion of
>>>> the token 'ns' in the namespace URI.
>>>>
>>>> Assuming that the ballot for the first CD passes in Mar 2008, then
>>>> the namespace URI that would be compliant with the
>> proposal we have
>>>> adopted and that incorporates the change suggested by the OASIS
>>>> staff would look as follows:
>>>>
>>>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200803
>>>>
>>>> -- Sanjay
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-
>>> assembly/email/archives/200710/bin00002.bin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> ----
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Martin Chapman [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com] *
>>>> Sent:* Tuesday, Feb 26, 2008 8:04 AM*
>>>> To:* 'OASIS Assembly'*
>>>> Subject:* RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs....
>>>>
>>>> Here's a link to the mail i thought we had agreed.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-
>>> assembly/email/archives/200710/msg00096.html
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----*
>>>> From:* Martin Chapman [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com] *
>>>> Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:53 PM*
>>>> To:* 'Mike Edwards'; 'OASIS Assembly'*
>>>> Subject:* RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs....
>>>>
>>>> This is not what I thought we had agreed to do. We only
>> need to rev
>>>> the namespace when non-backwards compatible changes are
>> made, not at
>>>> each CD etc.
>>>>
>>>> Martin.
>>>> -----Original Message-----*
>>>> From:* Mike Edwards [mailto:mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com] *
>>>> Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:02 AM*
>>>> To:* OASIS Assembly*
>>>> Subject:* [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> My view on the namespace is that we should aim to have one and one
>>>> only and not change it at all until the publication of the "final"
>>>> version of the specification. Making changes for every
>>>> CD makes no sense to me. The CD's are drafts and have no
>> "official"
>>>> status.
>>>>
>>>> Folks who are trying to "follow" the XSDs etc during the spec
>>>> development process will simply have to put up with the changes,
>>>> with no assistance from dates in the NS's. Only once there is
>>>> something official available will there be a need to mark
>> any future
>>>> changes with a different NS.
>>>>
>>>> So, to cut to the chase how about the following as a namespace for
>>>> assembly:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/OpenCSA/SCA-Common/200803
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...we can vote to change to a later dated namespace once
>> we get near
>>>> final publication of OASIS SCA 1.0....
>>>>
>>>> Yours, Mike.
>>>>
>>>> Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
>>>> Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
>>>> IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN,
>> Great Britain.
>>>> Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014 Mobile: +44-7802-467431
>>>> Email: mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
>>>>
>>>> *Anish Karmarkar <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>*
>>>>
>>>> 26/02/2008 02:00
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Aupperle <aupperle@us.ibm.com>
>>>>
>>>> cc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sca-assembly@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>>
>>>> Subject
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Re: [sca-assembly] Groups -
>> sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc uploaded
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree.
>>>> But before we do that we need to figure out a NS change
>> policy: when
>>>> would we change the namespace between two CDS? Would there be a
>>>> change for every version, or would it change only when there is a
>>>> backward incompatible change? Do we need to sync up the NS between
>>>> various TCs?
>>>>
>>>> Putting such a policy in place would be helpful for early
>>>> adopters/implementers.
>>>>
>>>> -Anish
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Aupperle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I know this is a nit, but if we are going to consider WD 03 as a
>>>>> potential CD, doesn't that mean that date for the
>> namespace will be
>>>>> set and therefore the declared namespace at the front of the
>>>>> document should be filled in and not left as TBD?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bryan Aupperle, Ph.D.
>>>>> STSM, WebSphere Enterprise Platform Software Solution Architect
>>>>> Master Inventor
>>>>>
>>>>> Research Triangle Park, NC
>>>>> +1 919-254-7508 (T/L 444-7508)
>>>>> Internet Address: aupperle@us.ibm.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com*
>>>>>
>>>>> 02/19/2008 12:50 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To
>>>>> sca-assembly@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>>> cc
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject
>>>>> [sca-assembly] Groups -
>>>> sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc uploaded
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The document revision named sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc has
>>>>> been submitted by Dr. Anish Karmarkar to the OASIS Service
>>>>> Component Architecture / Assembly (SCA-Assembly) TC document
>>>>> repository. This document is revision #2 of
>>>>> sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Document Description:
>>>>> WD-03 incorporates issues: 1A, 4, 9, 19, 21, 22
>>>>> +
>>>>> - in Implementation and ComponentType section added attribute and
>>>> element
>>>>> description for service, reference, and property
>>>>> - removed comments that helped understand the initial
>> restructuring
>>>>> for WD02
>>>>> - added changes for issue 43
>>>>> - added changes for issue 45, except the changes for policySet and
>>>> requires
>>>>> attribute on property elements
>>>>>
>>>>> View Document Details:
>>>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-
>>> assembly/document.php?document_id=27238
>>>>>
>>>>> Download Document:
>>>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-
>>> assembly/download.php/27238/sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc
>>>>>
>>>>> Revision:
>>>>> This document is revision #2 of sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc.
>>>>> The document details page referenced above will show the complete
>>>>> revision history.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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