Draft Minutes for today's OpenCSA Steering Committee - 2009-05-08

[Mike Kaiser <mkaiser@us.ibm.com>]

DRAFT AGENDA - OpenCSA Steering Committee (StC) Draft
Agenda - 08 May 2009 9:00 AM PST

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NEW ACTION ITEMS: 
        None
        
0. Agenda bashing and Roll
        Attending:  
               Voting Members (X
= Attended)        
           
               
               
               
            
           
               
    X        David Burke
           
               
    X        Bob Freund
           
               
    X        Anil Gurnani
               
               
           
               
    X        Mike Kaiser
(Secretary/Vice-Chair)
           
               
            Mark Little
           
               
    X        Jeff Mischkinsky
           
               
    X        Sanjay Patil
           
               
               
               
                 
               
               
               
               
               
               
  
        Apologies:  
               
               
     
           
               
               
    
           
               
            
           
               
            
        OASIS Staff:  
                     
           
               
            Robin Cover
           
               
            Jane Harnad
           
               
            Scott McGrath
           
               
            Mary McRae
           
               
            Dee Schur
           
               
    
        Identified Observers:
        None
           
               
               
    
        
        
        Notes:  
                     
     Mike Kaiser


        NO CHANGES TO
AGENDA.
        - Public Review
Comment by Microsoft. The gist of that comment...
           
        


        
1. Minutes Approval 

        - 13 March 2009:


        http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/opencsa-ms/download.php/31656/Open_CSA_SC_20090313_Draft.txt
           
    
        Motion to approve
made and seconded.
        APPROVED without
objection unanimously.


2. Open Action Item Review and Discussion 

        AI20081212-001
- Coordinate an effort with Assembly TC to produce an 
           
    SCA primer as the specs approach standardization
(in review).

           
    STATUS: On Hold until we get closer to standardization.
           
            Keep on hold.


        AI20090313-001
Jeff to send the following recommendation to 
           
    the TC's.

           
    Recommendation:
           
    Steering Committee Recommends inclusion of the 
           
    completed test suite with the main package for 
           
    the initial CS vote. 

           
    STATUS: Still open.        

        
        AI20090313-002
- Jeff to talk with mary to make 
           
    the request to group SCA PR announcements.

           
    STATUS: COMPLETE - Should now be closed.
           
    Jeff send the following e-mail to Mary on March 13,
2009. 
           
    http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/opencsa-ms/email/archives/200903/msg00005.html
           
    Subsequent communications with Mary were done
           
    to inform her that Assembly and Policy specs should
go 
           
    first.  Any others that are ready at the same
time should
           
    also go, but Assembly nor Policy should be held up
waiting
           
    for another TC. 

           
    Will remove from future agendas. 
        

        
3. Overall TC Milestones Status as discussed by LSC:
  
        Tentative dates
for key milestones: 

        On Feb 5, 2009
conf-call [A], the LSC discussed the following as the 
        new anticipated
schedule for the OpenCSA TCs: 

           End
Feb – Assembly and Policy TC to start 1st Public Review (60 day)
           Mid
March – Other TCs to start 1st Public Review (60 day)
           End
June – Finish all the work
           End
July – Submit specs to OASIS for OS vote 

        ASSEMBLY ONLY
(now about a month behind schedule on testing work
           
           resulting in the following
[B]) 
           End
Feb Test Assertion complete
           End
March Test Case complete
           Mid
April for Assembly TC only
           End
June - 1st Public Review complete
        
        Recommendation
that all other TC's set a similar schedule for
        for about one
month later.        

        [A] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/opencsa-liaison/200902/msg00003.html
        [B] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/opencsa-liaison/200901/msg00013.html
        

        The following
represents the current state of each TC relative 
        to Public Reviews
       

        * = PR 04/24 -
06/23 

        SCA-Assembly TC
Specifications (V1.1)
           
    * SCA Assembly Model Specification

        SCA-Policy TC
Specifications (V1.1)
           
    * SCA Policy Framework

        SCA-Bindings TC
Specifications (V1.1)
           
      SCA Web Services Binding Specification
           
      SCA JMS Binding Specification
           
      SCA JCA Binding Specification
           
      SCA HTTP Binding Specification

        SCA-BPEL TC Specifications
(V1.1)
           
    * SCA WS-BPEL Client and Implementation Specification

        SCA-C/C++ TC Specifications
(V1.1)
           
    * SCA Client and Implementation Model Specification
for C
           
    * SCA Client and Implementation Model Specification
for C++

        SCA-J TC Specifications
(V1.1)
           
      SCA Java Common Annotations and APIs Specification
           
      SCA Java Component Implementation Specification
           
      SCA EJB Session Bean Binding Specification
           
      SCA Spring Component Implementation Specification
           
       SCA JEE Integration Specification

        SDO TC Specifications
(V3.0)
           
      Service Data Objects Specification 
           
      Service Data Objects for Java 


        What is the outlook
for SCA-Binding, SCA-J and SDO TC specs?
        Where do each
of these stand wrt Test Assertion and Test Case PR's?

        DISCUSSION:
        Hat's off to the
team on this and a special hat's off to 
        Mike Edward's
efforts on this.

        SCA-Java TC has
now approved approval docs and the package 
        which includes
the following is        being completed for
PR.
           
    SCA Java Common Annotations and APIs Specification
           
    SCA Java Component Implementation Specification
        Other specs will
follow later (as was the plan).
        

        SCA-Bindings TC
is still about two weeks away from first 
        review of first
targeted specs. 

        SDO is still pretty
far away. We need to get a timeline for
        this.  While
it should plan to deliver sooner rather than
        later, it is not
critical to the other TC's work timelines.

        


4. Compliant implementation plans
        
        We know that we
need something about mid year.  There are
        several companies
working this but implementation timing is 
        unknown.  Open
Source (Apache Tuscany, looks to be one
        source for at
least some of the TC's.  Fabric3 may be another).  
        Each TC will have
to make it's own decision on what compliant 
        implementations
they are going to use based on what's available 
        in the  
      timeframe of standardization and what their
test plan 
        looks like.

        The SC must eventually
resolve the question of "how it will
        make approval
decisions" and communicate this to the TC's. 
        It is expected
that the Testing Plans for each TC will 
        incorporate implementation/testing
aspects which encompass
        the broader "SCA"
picture.

        We must address
the following core questions:
          Are we
all in agreement that the exit criteria in each 
          charter
applies to Member Submission for vote and not 
          for Committee
Specification approval?

          At this
stage, what (if any) compliant applications 
          are the
likely candidates which the SC will likely 
          generally
accept?

        If there are no
updates, then continue to hold on agenda for
        discussion at
the next meeting.

        DISCUSSION:
        Continue to leave
this on the agenda for future meetings.
        Tuscany and Fabric
3 still look to be the best compliancy
        implementation
options, but until more of the Test Suite
        deliveries are
done, this should remain on hold as far as
        the Steering Committee
is concerned.

        
5. StC Elections
        Three of the 7
Steering Committee positions (currently held
        by Sanjay, Jeff
and Anil) are targeted for balloting 
        May 13th - May
27th.  

        Nominations will
be accepted until Tuesday May 12th.

        CURRENT STEERING
COMMITTEE 
        
        Steering Committee  
               
     Next Election 
         Member    
               
   Affiliation        for
Seat 
        -------------------  
     -----------        -----------

        David Burke    
           TIBCO    
           May 2010 
        Bob Freund    
           Hitachi  
             May 2010

        Anil Gurnani    
           CSC    
           May 2009 
        Mike Kaiser    
           IBM    
           May 2010 Vice-Chair/Secretary

        Mark Little    
           Red Hat  
             May 2010

        Jeff Mischkinsky  
     Oracle        
       May 2009 Chair 
        Sanjay Patil    
           SAP    
           May 2009 
        
        The Chair, Vice-Chair
and Secretary elected positions 
        are in force August 1st
2008, through July 31, 2009. 

        Seats elected in May are
in effect beginning June 1st. 

        Are there any
further actions that the StC members need to
        take?


        DISCUSSION:
        Per business as
usual, any bio's for accepted nominations 
        will be placed
in the 2009 Steering Committee Candidates 
        documents folder.
 All nominees (even if self nominated) 
        need to submit
the acceptance letter per process (i.e. 
        indicate that
they have the time, submit background
        material for bio's
etc..).  At this point there are
        three nominations
in process, but not all have submitted
        all the required
pieces.
           
    
           
    

6. Any Other Business?

        DISCUSSION:
        Microsoft has
submitted a Public Review for the SCA-Asscembly
        specification.
 This comment, though it needs to be responded
        to by the Assembly
TC merits discussion at the Steering
        Committee since
it seeks to change the rules of what it means
        to be SCA compliant.


        After much discussion,
this boils down to which of the following
        two definitions
of compliancy is appropriate to best serve the
        SCA community.

        A) SCA Compliant
extensions must be compliant with all of the
           following:
           
    a) SCA Assembly,
           
    b) SCA Policy,
           
    c) SCA Binding, and
           
    d) at least one of the SCA Implementation Types
           
        (currently Java, BPEL, C or C++ )

        B) SCA Compliant
extensions must be compliant with all of the
           following:
           
    a) SCA Assembly,
           
    b) SCA Policy and
           
    c) SCA Binding

        There are pro's
and con's to each argument. In the end the Steering
        Committee needs
to leave this discussion on the agenda but allow
        the discussion
to occur within the Assembly TC.  Ultimately it is
        the Assembly TC
which must respond formally.  There is time to
        allow this discussion
to happen in the open environment around
        the pro's and
con's of each side of the argument.        

        
        
        
7. Future SC Agenda Topics? 

        DISCUSSION:
        None.
           
    
        
8. Next Meeting 

           -
The next regular teleconference is scheduled for June 12th, 2009 
           
    9:00am PST, 12:00pm EST, 5:00pm UK

        (OpenCSA Steering
Committee calls are scheduled for the second Friday 
           
    of each month.)

        DISCUSSION:  
     
        It appears that
there June 12th meeting may have conflicts with a
        number of Steering
Committee members' schedules.  Kaiser will work
        via e-mail to
validate with members of the Steering Committee that
        the prior week,
June 5th provides a better alternative



9. Adjourn
        Adjourned.