Re: [orms] Selection of Elements

[John Bradley <jbradley@mac.com>]

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When the subject of the reputation is a person,  you may not want to =
have the subject of the reputation disclosing correlatable information =
about the person.

Or in other words if I have a transient subject for my SAML assertion I =
don't want you compromising that by default.

John B
On 2010-04-29, at 8:41 PM, Tatsuki Sakushima wrote:

> Hi John,
>=20
> Thank you for the comment. I intentionally made the structure of the =
document flat.
> So I added the type attribute in <Subject>. But I am not really =
convinced yet.=20
>> Sometimes the subject may be ephemeral if it is about the subject of =
some outer assertion.
>> In the child case you have a null subject.  If you define a local =
NameIDFormat then you could call it Child1 to differentiate it from =
other child elements.
>=20
> I supposed to put an identifier into the child <Subject> in the =
example, but I forgot it.
> My understanding of <Subject> is that the element contains a globally =
unique identifier
> for itself. So, even though the sub reputation document inside the =
parent document, it must have an identifier.
>=20
> I forgot the value in the child <Subject> by mistake, but should we =
consider a nil case?
>=20
> BTW, for an assertion, I made the <Assertion> element. It can change =
without changing <Subject> id (id for this document). It just need to =
update <Date> if <Date> is for updated.=20
> Tatsuki
>=20
> (4/29/10 4:49 PM), John Bradley wrote:
>> That is logical.
>> You may want to have a <NameIDFormat> element.
>> Sometimes the subject may be ephemeral if it is about the subject of =
some outer assertion.
>> In the child case you have a null subject.  If you define a local =
NameIDFormat then you could call it Child1 to differentiate it from =
other child elements.
>> The subject may be a URI or some other custom format.
>> John B.
>> On 2010-04-29, at 6:55 PM, Tatsuki Sakushima wrote:
>>> I have been thinking how to make ORMS simple and accommodating as =
many use cases as possible.
>>>=20
>>> -----
>>>=20
>>> 6.1 Element <ReputationBundle>
>>> The <ReputationBundle> element can contain two or more <Reputation> =
elements to optionally make a group of reputation instances.
>>>=20
>>> 6.2 Element <Reputation>
>>> The <Reputation> element encapsulates the entire reputation =
document. It contains the following attributes and elements:
>>>=20
>>> <Subject> [One]
>>> Identifier of the reputation described by this document.
>>>=20
>>> <Context> [One]
>>> Context namespace. Identifier of context namespace of the reputation =
described by this document.
>>>=20
>>> <Assertion/Reputee> [Zero or One]
>>> Identifier of the assertion of the entity or the entity itself =
evaluated in this document.
>>>=20
>>> <Score =
type=3D"http://amaama.co.jp/reputation/score/products/books/fivestar";> =
[One or More]
>>> The reputation score.=20
>>> <Date type=3D"http://amaama.co.jp/reputation/date/updated";> [Zero or =
More]
>>> The date data described by this document.
>>>=20
>>> <ds:Signature> [Zero or More]
>>> This XML Signature, included from the [XML Signature] schema, =
protects the integrity of the document, as described in Section ?.=20
>>> -----
>>>=20
>>> Here are some examples based on the definition above:
>>>=20
>>> Example 1 "Simple"
>>>=20
>>> <Reputation>
>>> =
<Subject>http://amaama.co.jp/literature/auther/hmurakami/title/1Q84#TCDVSu=
G6grhyHbzhQFWFzGrxIPE</Subject>
>>> =
<Assertion>http://kodansha.co.jp/literature/hmurakami/1Q84</Assertion>
>>> =
<Context>http://amaama.co.jp/reputation/score/products/books</Context>
>>> <Score =
type=3D"http://amaama.co.jp/reputation/score/products/books/fivestar";>4.3<=
/Score>
>>> <Date =
type=3D"http://amaama.co.jp/reputation/date/updated";>1970-01-01T00:00:00Z<=
/Date>
>>> <Date =
type=3D"http://amaama.co.jp/reputation/date/created";>1970-01-01T00:00:00Z<=
/Date>
>>> </Reputation>
>>>=20
>>> Example 2 "Bundle"
>>>=20
>>> <ReputationBundle>
>>> <Reputation type=3D"parent">
>>>   =
<Subject>http://amaama.co.jp/literature/auther/hmurakami/title/1Q84#TCDVSu=
G6grhyHbzhQFWFzGrxIPE</Subject>
>>>      =
<Assertion>http://kodansha.co.jp/literature/auther/hmurakami/title/1Q84</A=
ssertion>
>>>   =
<Context>http://amaama.co.jp/reputation/score/products/books</Context>
>>>   <Score =
type=3D"http://amaama.co.jp/reputation/score/products/books/fivestar";>4.3<=
/Score>
>>>      <Date =
type=3D"http://amaama.co.jp/reputation/date/updated";>1970-01-01T00:00:00Z<=
/Date>
>>>      <Date =
type=3D"http://amaama.co.jp/reputation/date/created";>1970-01-01T00:00:00Z<=
/Date>
>>> </Reputation>
>>> <Reputation type=3D"child">
>>>   <Subject></Subject>
>>>   <Link rel=3D"http://amaama.co.jp/reputation/score/1.0"; =
href=3D"http://amaama.co.jp/reputation/user/userida";>
>>>   ---whatever---
>>> </Reputation>
>>> </ReputationBundle>
>>>=20
>>> Comments are welcome.
>>>=20
>>> Tatsuki
>>>=20
>>> (4/22/10 1:40 PM), Tatsuki Sakushima wrote:
>>>>> =46rom the conversation yesterday, I thought that selecting basic =
elements we are going to put in ORMS might accelerate a spec work. Here =
is the list of current proposal from Nat a few years back. Probably =
these need updating:=20
>>>> ?.1 Element <ORMS/Reputation>
>>>> ?.2 Element <SubjectID>
>>>> ?.3 Element <RSPID>
>>>> ?.4 Element <AssertionID>
>>>> ?.5 Element <RequesterID>
>>>>=20
>>>> Issue 1. Too many IDs might be confusing. Can we simplify?=20
>>>> ?.6 Element <DisplayScore>
>>>> ?.7 Element <Score>
>>>> ?.8 Element <ConfidenceInterval>
>>>> ?.9 Element <Distribution>
>>>> ?.10 Element <Mean>
>>>> ?.11 Element <StandardDeviation>
>>>> ?.12 Element <SampleSize>
>>>>=20
>>>> Issue 2. Still need to discuss how we can accommodate common use =
cases captured in the RealLifeExmaples Wiki.=20
>>>> ?.13 Element <Date>
>>>> ?.14 Element <StartDate>
>>>> ?.15 Element <EndDate>
>>>>=20
>>>> Issue 3. Also many date related elements leads to confusion.
>>>>=20
>>>> Any comment?
>>>>=20
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