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No cyclic part_view_definiton structures may be defined. The value of the identification_assignment.identifier (for PDM Schema this is the local id attribute) must be unique in combination with the same relating assembly and related component definitions. For PLCS this implies that the identifier for each part_view_definition, part_version and part must be unique within the assembly. It is generally recommended that only subtypes of assembly_component_relationship be instantiated. It is not necessary to instantiate the optional relation_type, location_indicator or quantity attributes for an instance of next_assembly_usage in the context of a basic parts list. If information on the assembly type is to be represented, then this additional information should be represented using the view_definition_context.description attribute. This information is linked through the part_view_definition.additional_contexts attribute inherited from product_view_definition (leaving the application_domain and life_cycle_stage attributes empty). Examples of such type information are 'functional assembly', 'manufacturing assembly', and 'design assembly'..... .... I think most is still applicable, except for those examples which might be different depending upon usage. Prop 1: This information, however, is now captured under the CVS versioning so removing these sections for now, is not a problem and may aid consistency across the capabilities. I could agree to putting this on the "back-burner" for now so that the complexity issue can be ironed-out first; though I suspect we may need to come back to it at some point. The other thing that seems to come out of this (for me at least) is a question on whether the capabilities should document any of the items referenced from a select type. In some capabilities I see examples that are specific to the Dex within which it is primarily to be used, but when I look at Dex 1, I realize that the example (entity used) in the capability is not actually present (e.g. out of scope). Likewise, I could have done the same in generating capabilities under Dex1 & for example, in assigning_identifiers I may have only used the entity "Part" when showing how the identification_assignment works, though this may not be present in al Dexs. Prop 2: We (modellers) need to decide if we are to document the contents of these select types or not. I have actually documented ALL PLCS entities available from the identification_item select type, though only chosen one for the example. I have also added notes to state that this list may change depending upon the usage of the capability (i.e. in which Dex) since the contents of the list may be pruned according to the scope. However, someone looking at the capability, from a *re-use point of view*, would be able to see which entities are referable from the material and to make decisions accordingly for the Dex they are planning. I would therefore, suggest this as a default position when documenting the capabilties, (though I am still open to discussion)! Kind regards, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Leif.Tonning@dnv.com [mailto:Leif.Tonning@dnv.com] Sent: 30 April 2004 07:53 To: timturner11@bellsouth.net Cc: rob.bodington@eurostep.com; Trine.Hansen@dnv.com; Jochen.Haenisch@epmtech.jotne.com Subject: RE: Pre-post processor info I get some of the picture. As you are aware, we have had some uncertainty as to wether the current PLCS capabilities and DEX'es can easily be reused in our pilots, and we have communicated our needs and ideas back to Rob and others. In this work we have not met the problem you refer to with documentation of capabilities and the related DTD. I appreciate that the PDM schema rightly calls on pre and postprocessors. However, we have not met the need for these in our work. Why? As in PLCS, we develop generic capabilities, and these are to a large extent of the same type. Then we instantiate the capabilities to hold real data. Currently, thes instantiated data are legacy type, not subject to standardisation, but they should (using reference data) be identical to stable logistics business data as found e.g. in DefStan 00-60. Then the instantiated caps (possibly grouped inside a generic cap) should be standardised. To be able to use caps (the instantiated ones), instantiation diagrams (also candidates for standardisation when populated with reference data) are developed. These represent business concepts where the caps are used and reused. To populate a PLCS database, we have not met needs for postprocessing other than as defined in the instantiations (the mapping diagrams). This, however, does not mean that postprocessing is not an added value, but the need should be carefully assessed before another level of complexity is added to PLCS. To extract data from the PLCS database, query is used. Again no other need for preprocessing, and again, carefully assess the need, complexity and cost benefit.. We believe that the exchange specification for import and export technically is the same, but there may be other reasons why this is not so. Also, provided pre and post processing is introduced, care should be taken to distinguish between the generic part and the instantiatied part. I see the generic parts only as aids to develop the instantiated parts. When the logistics domain is fully populated with instantiated reference data, these should be used by all, and the need for the generic capabilities disappear. Mapping legacy data to PLCS will then be done using the instantiation diagrams and the instantiated capabilities. Databases and data exchanges will hold instantiated data (legacy or the reference data substitution for the legacy data), not generic capabilities. Knowing well I am operating in troubled water, I still hope this is to help and not to confuse. If the latter, forget the mail. Best regards Leif Tonning -----Original Message----- From: Tim Turner [mailto:timturner11@bellsouth.net] Sent: 29. april 2004 20:50 To: Tonning, Leif Cc: rob.bodington@eurostep.com Subject: RE: Pre-post processor info Oh um, sorry! Well a lot of the early capabilities had sections on pre & post processor guidence in the main body, underneath the descriptions of the entity attributes being documented. For example, under representing assembly structures & BOM there is a section on PostprocessorRecommendationsPostprocessor Recommendations. However, these sections need to be moved to the usage area (I.e. in amongst the entity definitions), but I cannot copy the section to that part as the dtd seems not to allow it. I need to see some sort of example on how this should be done, or for the dtd to change to enable a simpler format. I believe that I can just delete the attribute sections I have manually provided since these are already available in the usage area. Regards, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Leif.Tonning@dnv.com [mailto:Leif.Tonning@dnv.com] Sent: 29 April 2004 02:46 To: timturner11@bellsouth.net Cc: rob.bodington@eurostep.com Subject: RE: Pre-post processor info Hi, Tim Sorry, I'm not on the net. Probably I have missed some communication and do not understand what you are asking. I will do my best to give you an answer, but need better to understand the issue Leif t -----Original Message----- From: Tim Turner [ <mailto:timturner11@bellsouth.net> mailto:timturner11@bellsouth.net] Sent: 28. april 2004 20:32 To: Rob Bodington (E-mail); Tonning, Leif Subject: Pre-post processor info Guys, I'm trying to address the issue of moving much of this information into the usage section, but I need an example where this has been done that I can follow. Do you have anything I could look at? Cheers, Tim ************************************************************** Neither the confidentiality nor the integrity of this message can be guaranteed following transmission on the Internet. All messages sent to a DNV email addressee are swept by Sybari Antigen for the presence of computer viruses. DNV acknowledges that SPAM email represents a potential security risk, and DNVs filters to block unwanted emails are therefore continuously adjusted. 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Registered in England & Wales No 2275471 Registered Office: Devonport Royal Dockyard, Devonport, Plymouth, PL1 4SG ------_=_NextPart_001_01C431B0.B1B96960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#008080 size=2><SPAN class=072551508-04052004>It would be of beneficial to all involved in the current programme if this type of query was broadcast via the 'exploders' instead of depending on the good faith of other 'team players'</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#008080 size=2><SPAN class=072551508-04052004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#008080 size=2><SPAN class=072551508-04052004>Gordon</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Nigel Newling <BR><B>Sent:</B> 04 May 2004 09:01<BR><B>To:</B> Les Debenham; Gordon Robb<BR><B>Subject:</B> FW: Pre-post processor info<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tim Turner [mailto:timturner11@bellsouth.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 30 April 2004 17:02<BR><B>To:</B> Leif.Tonning@dnv.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> rob.bodington@eurostep.com; Trine.Hansen@dnv.com; Jochen.Haenisch@epmtech.jotne.com; Nigel Newling (E-mail)<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Pre-post processor info<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Leif,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Still waters run deep, so any troubled ones are fairly shallow ones ; - )</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I think I understand what you are saying and raise two proposals - though the implications need to be clearer..</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Your experiences seem not to involve full exchange file scope as defined by the Dexs, since you are dealing with legacy data and more ad-hoc query-related data extraction which does not require a fully instantiated Step file acc. to one or other Dexs. However, for longterm data archiving I suspect that this may be required.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The suggestion is that there needs to be (or is already) a generic set of capabilities that may then be extended with standardized terms for common usage within a domain. These terms of common usage I would suggest are those defined by the user community (such as MoD, Nato, or other large organization) and are represented as reference data. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>This means that the capabilities can/should only provide example reference data until the particular exchange community has adopted a specific set/collection of reference data for that industry/domain. Once adopted, the reference data can be used to complete the schema in terms of the acceptable values for attributes such as identifiers and relevant rules can be written to enforce these. This version of the capability(s) is what you are saying needs/could be standardized.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>In other guises, this is close to the subject of a set of implementor's agreements, but begins at a little higher level.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>From this view I can see that pre & post processor guidence may be a little premature and would need to be careful not to include items that are effectively example reference data items. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004></SPAN><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=160373013-30042004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=160373013-30042004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>However, some of the sections on this subject are indeed more generic & for example, under the capability representing_assembly_structure the first pre-processor statement reads...</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DL> <DD> <ADDRESS><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>No cyclic part_view_definiton structures may be defined. The value of the identification_assignment.identifier (for PDM Schema this is the local id attribute) must be unique in combination with the same relating assembly and related component definitions. For PLCS this implies that the identifier for each part_view_definition, part_version and part must be unique within the assembly. It is generally recommended that only subtypes of assembly_component_relationship be instantiated. It is not necessary to instantiate the optional relation_type, location_indicator or quantity attributes for an instance of next_assembly_usage in the context of a basic parts list. If information on the assembly type is to be represented, then this additional information should be represented using the view_definition_context.description attribute. This information is linked through the part_view_definition.additional_contexts attribute inherited from product_view_definition (leaving the application_domain and life_cycle_stage attributes empty). Examples of such type information are 'functional assembly', 'manufacturing assembly', and 'design assembly'.....</FONT></SPAN></ADDRESS></DD></DL> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>.... I think most is still applicable, except for those examples which might be different depending upon usage.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><U>Prop 1:</U> This information, however, is now captured under the CVS versioning so removing these sections for now, is not a problem and may aid consistency across the capabilities. I could agree to putting this on the "back-burner" for now so that the complexity issue can be ironed-out first; though I suspect we may need to come back to it at some point.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The other thing that seems to come out of this (for me at least) is a question on whether the capabilities should document any of the items referenced from a select type. In some capabilities I see examples that are specific to the Dex within which it is primarily to be used, but when I look at Dex 1, I realize that the example (entity used) in the capability is not actually present (e.g. out of scope). Likewise, I could have done the same in generating capabilities under Dex1 & for example, in assigning_identifiers I may have only used the entity "Part" when showing how the identification_assignment works, though this may not be present in al Dexs. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><U>Prop 2: </U>We (modellers) need to decide if we are to document the contents of these select types or not. I have actually documented ALL PLCS entities available from the identification_item select type, though only chosen one for the example. I have also added notes to state that this list may change depending upon the usage of the capability (i.e. in which Dex) since the contents of the list may be pruned according to the scope. However, someone looking at the capability, from a *re-use point of view*, would be able to see which entities are referable from the material and to make decisions accordingly for the Dex they are planning. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I would therefore, suggest this as a default position when documenting the capabilties, (though I am still open to discussion)!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Kind regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160373013-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Tim</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Leif.Tonning@dnv.com [mailto:Leif.Tonning@dnv.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 30 April 2004 07:53<BR><B>To:</B> timturner11@bellsouth.net<BR><B>Cc:</B> rob.bodington@eurostep.com; Trine.Hansen@dnv.com; Jochen.Haenisch@epmtech.jotne.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Pre-post processor info<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I get some of the picture.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>As you are aware, we have had some uncertainty as to wether the current PLCS capabilities and DEX'es can easily be reused in our pilots, and we have communicated our needs and ideas back to Rob and others.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>In this work we have not met the problem you refer to with documentation of capabilities and the related DTD.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I appreciate that the PDM schema rightly calls on pre and postprocessors. However, we have not met the need for these in our work. Why?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>As in PLCS, we develop generic capabilities, and these are to a large extent of the same type. Then we instantiate the capabilities to hold real data. Currently, thes instantiated data are legacy type, not subject to standardisation, but they should (using reference data) be identical to stable logistics business data as found e.g. in DefStan 00-60. Then the instantiated caps (possibly grouped inside a generic cap) should be standardised.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>To be able to use caps (the instantiated ones), instantiation diagrams (also candidates for standardisation when populated with reference data) are developed. These represent business concepts where the caps are used and reused.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>To populate a PLCS database, we have not met needs for postprocessing other than as defined in the instantiations (the mapping diagrams). This, however, does not mean that postprocessing is not an added value, but the need should be carefully assessed before another level of complexity is added to PLCS.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>To extract data from the PLCS database, query is used. Again no other need for preprocessing, and again, carefully assess the need, complexity and cost benefit..</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>We believe that the exchange specification for import and export technically is the same, but there may be other reasons why this is not so.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Also, provided pre and post processing is introduced, care should be taken to distinguish between the generic part and the instantiatied part. I see the generic parts only as aids to develop the instantiated parts. When the logistics domain is fully populated with instantiated reference data, these should be used by all, and the need for the generic capabilities disappear. Mapping legacy data to PLCS will then be done using the instantiation diagrams and the instantiated capabilities. Databases and data exchanges will hold instantiated data (legacy or the reference data substitution for the legacy data), not generic capabilities.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Knowing well I am operating in troubled water, I still hope this is to help and not to confuse. If the latter, forget the mail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Best regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Leif Tonning</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=920481511-30042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tim Turner [mailto:timturner11@bellsouth.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> 29. april 2004 20:50<BR><B>To:</B> Tonning, Leif<BR><B>Cc:</B> rob.bodington@eurostep.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Pre-post processor info<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=884433718-29042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Oh um, sorry!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=884433718-29042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=884433718-29042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Well a lot of the early capabilities had sections on pre & post processor guidence in the main body, underneath the descriptions of the entity attributes being documented. For example, under representing assembly structures & BOM there is a section on <A name=PostprocessorRecommendations><STRONG><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>Postprocessor Recommendations</FONT></STRONG></A>. However, these sections need to be moved to the usage area (I.e. in amongst the entity definitions), but I cannot copy the section to that part as the dtd seems not to allow it. I need to see some sort of example on how this should be done, or for the dtd to change to enable a simpler format.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=884433718-29042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=884433718-29042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I believe that I can just delete the attribute sections I have manually provided since these are already available in the usage area.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=884433718-29042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=884433718-29042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=884433718-29042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Tim</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=884433718-29042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=884433718-29042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Leif.Tonning@dnv.com [mailto:Leif.Tonning@dnv.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 29 April 2004 02:46<BR><B>To:</B> timturner11@bellsouth.net<BR><B>Cc:</B> rob.bodington@eurostep.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Pre-post processor info<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><!-- Converted from text/rtf format --> <P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi, Tim</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sorry, I'm not on the net. Probably I have missed some communication and do not understand what you are asking. </FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I will do my best to give you an answer, but need better to understand the issue</FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Leif t</FONT> </P> <UL> <P><FONT face=Arial><SPAN lang=no></SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=no> <FONT face=Tahoma size=1>-----Original Message-----</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=no><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=1>From: </FONT></B> <FONT face=Tahoma size=1>Tim Turner [</FONT></SPAN><A href="mailto:timturner11@bellsouth.net"><SPAN lang=no><U><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=1>mailto:timturner11@bellsouth.net</FONT></U></SPAN></A><SPAN lang=no><FONT face=Tahoma size=1>] </FONT></SPAN><BR><SPAN lang=no><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=1>Sent: </FONT></B> <FONT face=Tahoma size=1>28. april 2004 20:32</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=no><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=1>To: </FONT></B> <FONT face=Tahoma size=1>Rob Bodington (E-mail); Tonning, Leif</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=no><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=1>Subject: </FONT></B> <FONT face=Tahoma size=1>Pre-post processor info</FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Guys,</FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm trying to address the issue of moving much of this information into the usage section, but I need an example where this has been done that I can follow.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Do you have anything I could look at?</FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tim</FONT></SPAN> </P></UL><BR>**************************************************************<BR>Neither the confidentiality nor the integrity of this message can be guaranteed following transmission on the Internet. <BR>All messages sent to a DNV email addressee are swept by Sybari Antigen for the presence of computer viruses. <BR>DNV acknowledges that SPAM email represents a potential security risk, and DNVs filters to block unwanted emails are therefore continuously adjusted. 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