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Subject: RE: Cooperation / Convergence


Farrukh,

Within UDDI Version 2, there is the possibility of using checked or
unchecked taxonomies with the taxonomies themselves "housed" within the
(public) UDDI Business Registry or located outside of the UDDI Business
Registry on the taxonomy providers' servers.  The common usage pattern will
be for the taxonomies to be external to the registry.  Researching this
through, and finally realizing that this is a capability already published
within the "public" Version 2 specifications, we certainly can move this
thread to the public lists on Oasis, so I have done so with this reply.

Please reference Version 2 of the UDDI Programmer's API Reference, and
especially Appendix H: Checking external value sets.  UDDI has had this
capability within its specifications since V2 drafts and notes well before
the February 2001 timeframe where we began to review this on the UDDI-AG
list.  If memory serves me correctly we started discussing this in our Nov
2000 continuing through the Jan 2001 FTF sessions and on our lists.  

The basis of this thread as you wrote it below is invalid.  However, I do
agree with your statements that this is an area of overlap and one that we
should strive for eventual convergence.

Joel

-----Original Message-----
From: Farrukh Najmi [mailto:Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM]
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 11:45 AM
To: Munter, Joel D
Subject: Re: Cooperation / Convergence


Joel,

I am confused by your question. I see no physical way that anyone can
validate
taxonomy usage without either having the knowledge
about the structure of that taxonomy internally or having access to an
external
service that it can delegate the task to. ebXML's approach is to support
full
taxonomy validation and browsing using internal taxonomies and allow for
non-validated usage of external taxonomies.

In a federated ebXML Registry it would be possible to make use of taxonomies
in
another registry just as if it were internal to the same registry. However,
I
view this case noi different than internal taxonomies as a federation would
be
logically one registry.

Hope that helps.

"Munter, Joel D" wrote:

> reply:
> You are probably correct about the confidentiality of a particular
solution
> but not necessarily about the problem that we are attempting to solve.
For
> now, we should probably keep this private.  Please answer my question
below.
> Does the ebXML model allow you to validate taxonomies that are maintained
> outside of the registry?
> Joel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Farrukh Najmi [mailto:Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM]
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 2:31 PM
> To: Munter, Joel D
> Subject: Re: Cooperation / Convergence
>
> I would much prefer a public thread but as I understand the rules of UDDI
I
> cannot talk about V3 work in public outside UDDI. I also am led to believe
> that
> speaking of ebXML Registry inside UDDI is a reprehensible crime :-)
>
> If either is not true let me know.
>
> "Munter, Joel D" wrote:
>
> > Farrukh,
> >
> > As I understand the ebXML model, to enable real-time validation, the
> entire
> > taxonomy is loaded into the ebXML Registry.  Is that correct?  If so,
then
> > the two models are very different indeed.
> >
> > Why did you choose to make this a private thread?  I strongly believe
that
> > this is the type of detail that we need to get to on the open lists.
> >
> > Joel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Farrukh Najmi [mailto:Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM]
> > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:53 AM
> > To: Munter, Joel D
> > Subject: Cooperation / Convergence
> >
> > Joel,
> >
> > The most recent case of UDDI duplicating ebXML functionality is that of
> > taxonomy browsing / validation support in UDDI. This is a very good
> > opportunity for UDDI to build on the unique value of ebXML Registry in
> > this area rather than to duplicate effort. Please advice me on where
> > things are at on that topic in UDDI and your thoughts on how we can use
> > cooperation rather than duplication.
> >
> > I want to see extreme parity between UDDI and ebXML regarding concern
> > over duplication of unique values of each registry.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Farrukh
>
> --
> Regards,
> Farrukh

--
Regards,
Farrukh



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