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Subject: Re: [regrep] ebXML Registry and Content Management (was Re: [regrep]Meeting agenda and reminder for ebXML Registry telecon December 18th, 2003)


+1 Zachary.  Couldn't agree more.

Matthew MacKenzie
Senior Architect, IDBU
Adobe Systems
matt@adobe.com

On 20-Dec-03, at 10:34 PM, Zachary Alexander wrote:

> Duane,
>
> If the ebXML Architecture team is reconstituted, count me in. I know
> what it's like to start an architecture development effort when the
> standard group that owns the spec doesn't either create a reference
> architecture description or doesn't maintain it. I have used
> Architecture Analysis to maintain transparency in the decision making
> process which leads to better governance in the IT Acquisition process.
> I've killed a lot of expensive and/or bad projects after doing the
> architecture analysis.
>
> As an industry, we are getting killed because of cost over runs due to
> poor planning and undifferentiated me-to-products. Anecdote: Poor up
> front planning can routinely result in 40-80% cost over runs.
>
>
> Zachary Alexander
> The IT Investment Architect
> ebTDesign LLC, (703) 283-4325
> http://www.ebTDesign.com
> http://www.p2peconomy.com
> http://www.itinvestmentvehicle.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 6:27 PM
> To: Breininger, Kathryn R
> Cc: Farrukh Najmi; Collins, Jeff; ebXML Regrep (ebXML Regrep)
> Subject: Re: [regrep] ebXML Registry and Content Management (was Re:
> [regrep] Meeting agenda and reminder for ebXML Registry telecon  
> December
> 18th, 2003)
>
> To add to Kathryn's email, I must also express the architectural
> viewpoint from ebXML.
>
> The ebXML Technical Architecture team had a responsibility to map the
> user requirements to an architecture that could be implemented using
> several components.  The Service Oriented architecture uses the ebXML
> Registry as one of its' components to facilitate a set of functional
> requirements described in normative sections of the ebXML TA v 1.04.
>  ebXML Registry currently meets all of those functional requirements
> plus has started adding in functionality that is needed, yet was never
> specified within the TA 1.04.  This is a byproduct of two items:
>
> 1. The ebXML Technical Architecture v 1.0 is out of date and needs to  
> be
>
> revised and be reconciled with advances made by all ebXML groups and
> also needs to include certain web service standards (WSDL and SOAP as
> well as optionally UDDI - the latter being a point for discussion).
>
> 2. Advances in implementors requirements that are not part of the ebXML
> Requirements document v 1.06.  As time changes, so do the requirements
> of users.  The ebXMl Requirements document could be updated too.
>
> To rectify this, I am proposing a new ebXML Technical Architecture team
> be established and a new revision of the architecture be written.  I
> would also like to suggest that a revision to the ebXML Requirements
> document be done to update that documents.
>
> I would also like to see the following for ebXML as a whole:
>
> 1. Coordinated meetings between all ebXML and relevant WS branded TC's
> 2. Tighter control over versioning of the specifications and a
> architecture/versioning scheme that can be implemented.  (I am thinking
> that if everyone aims at making version 3.0 the gold / real copy, we  
> can
>
> achieve this based on lessons learned).
> 3. Integration of Web services standards formally within ebXML  
> (Registry
>
> already has WSDL and SOAP, ebXML MS has SOAP but we can also use UDDI
> optionally to facilitate dynamic discovery of other web service within
> an ebXML architecture instance.)
> 4. Implementation profiles and an implementation guide published
> (perhaps by IIC?).
> 5. Inclusion of UBL as a start payload format for ebXML.  One thing  
> that
>
> many implementors found annoying was the lack of a specific payload.
>  While we cannot constrain ebXMl to use only UBL, it may be good to  
> have
>
> it as a starting point.
> 6. Someone to set up and maintain a production registry as a Registry
> Zero, to start the federation.
> 7. World peace
> (The latter one I personally added since I am already asking for so  
> much
>
> and I figured it was best to ask for everything in one go)
>
> I'm sure this will invoke some other opinions.  I wouldn't mind moving
> this thread to the ebXML Dev list under the title "ebXML Future"
>
> Duane Nickull
> Breininger, Kathryn R wrote:
>
>> I would like to insert a brief clarification here.  In a couple of the
>> recent e-mails in this string there have been references to ebXML
>> Registry specs as Content Management Standards.  As I stated in our
>> telecon yesterday, I believe our intention (ebXML Registry TC) is that
>> the ebXML Registry specs and standards support and enable content
>> management, not that the ebXML Registry specs become the definitive
>> Content Management System standards.  Generally speaking, a Content
>> Management System includes authoring, check-in/check-out, workflow,
>> versioning, etc.  An ebXML Registry has broader application in its
>> enabling of ebusiness, federation features, classification support,
>> interoperation with other OASIS and ebXML standards, and additional
>> services, most of which can compliment a CMS.
>>
>> We need to bear in mind our charter
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/regrep/charter.php and how
>> functionality we add affects our interoperability as well as the
>> requirements for core components, BP, CPPA, etc.  There are areas of
>> overlap it is true: an ebXML Registry manages metadata about the
>> registered objects, and a CMS manages metadata as well.  However, an
>> ebXML Registry has a larger and slightly different scope and as such  
>> it
>> can support and enable content management, but is not a standard
>> developed specifically for CMS.
>>
>> Kathryn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Farrukh Najmi [mailto:Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:34 PM
>> To: Collins, Jeff
>> Cc: ebXML Regrep (ebXML Regrep)
>> Subject: [regrep] ebXML Registry and Content Management (was Re:
>> [regrep] Meeting agenda and reminder for ebXML Registry telecon
> December
>> 18th, 2003)
>>
>>
>> Collins, Jeff wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Ok, so i guess i'll follow up with a few more questions:
>>>
>>> - What industry vendors have agreed to support this spec so far?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I assume by "support" you mean implementors of the ebXML registry (as
>> opposed to users of ebXML registry)?
>> Until recently I used to say that ebXML Registry spec is weak on  
>> vendor
>
>> adoption and strong on end-user adoption.
>> This changed last month when Adobe acquired Yellow Dragon Software to
>> leverage their ebXML Registry within their eForms products. Peter,
> Duane
>>
>> and Matt represent Adobe on our TC and can give more details.
>>
>> Sun has an implementation in open source (see my signature).
>>
>> In addition there are several other implementations listed on our TC
>> page:
>>
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=regrep
>>
>> Finally, there are those that we keep discovering. At XML 2003 I
>> discovered that the
>> Australian company MSI ( http://www.msi.com.au ) had an ebXMl Registry
>> implementation.
>>
>> But where we are doing even better is in actual end-user adoption and
>> deployment. Again see the first link in my signature for a small
>> example.
>>
>>
>>
>>> - Has there been any consideration of Portal Server integration use
>>> cases with the CM API?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> As you know Portals and CM have a close relationship with portals  
>> being
>
>> the front end and ECM systems being the backend.
>>
>> Naturally, I see a close relationship between WSRP as a portal  
>> standard
>
>> and ebXML Registry as CM standard.
>> Recognizing that, we have recently formed a liaison with WSRP TC where
>> Joe Chiusano and I work in the Publish/Bind/Discover SC under Alan
> Kropp
>>
>> of Vignette. Based on initial discussion we feel that ebXMl Registry
>> brings a strong value to WSRP and portals.
>>
>>
>>
>>> - What would a CM vendor use ebXML for today if it doesn't support
>>> versioning as defined by the CM products on the market today?  Would
> it
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> be read only?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ebXML Registry supports tracking of versions today. It allows for
>> implementation specific extensions to support the missing check
>> in/checkout type functions. Until we support full versioning this
> aspect
>>
>> of CM would not be interoperable. Some interop is better than none in
>> the interim.
>>
>>
>>
>>> - How does ebXML interoperate with WebDAV?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ebXML Registry defines an abstract API in UML and then defines
> normative
>>
>> bindings to SOAP, HTML and ebXML Messaging. a binding to WebDav has  
>> not
>
>> been defined yet. If we see a demand for it we could consider it.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Overall, are there plans for reference ECM applications?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The reference application is the one that was defined in the ebXML
>> Architecture as an eBusiness artifacts registry for CPP/A, BPSS and  
>> CC.
>
>> Another reference application is Web Service publish/discovery. These
>> applications are deployed at Sun and other places. I would love to see
> a
>>
>> WSRP publish/bind/discover use case as a reference application.
>>
>> The killer application for ebXML Registry in my opinion is eForms.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Plans for application support or integration from Portal Vendors or
>>> Apache in something like Cocoon?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The freebXML Registry project under freebxml.org is where a grassroots
>> group of vendor and user companies are working together on ebXML
>> Registry.
>>
>>
>>
>>> How would a vendor achieve benefit from committing resources to this
>>> specification?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Like any other standards work, a vendor should only get involved if
> they
>>
>> feel the standard is important to their future. By getting involved
> they
>>
>> make sure that their customer/product needs are met within the  
>> standard
>
>> and that they are not stuck with a lot of baggage that they do not  
>> wish
>
>> to implement in their products.
>>
>>
>>
>
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