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Subject: Re: [regrep] Calling Carl Mattocks - status on SCM...
I was just waiting for the semnatic ball to land .. Given that the primary reason for the SCM hiatus was to await a firm foundation of the Version 3 specification ... Later on this week I plan to issue a draft outline of target deliverables and dates for 2005 SCM activities. ... please watch this space carl who="David Webber \(XML\)"> > John, > > I thought that might be the next question - and > Carl Mattocks is the right person to answer > that for us! > > Carl - over to you.... > > Thanks, DW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Gillerman" <john.gillerman@sisconet.com> > To: "'David Webber (XML)'" <david@drrw.info>; "'Duane Nickull'" > <dnickull@adobe.com>; "'BEDINI Ivan RD-BIZZ-CAE'" > <ivan.bedini@francetelecom.com> > Cc: "'Chiusano Joseph'" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>; > <regrep@lists.oasis-open.org>; "'Farrukh Najmi'" <Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM>; > "'Breininger, Kathryn R'" <kathryn.r.breininger@boeing.com> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 3:04 PM > Subject: RE: [regrep] Standards approval process > > >> OK, what is the SCM's status and next moves? >> >> Regards, >> >> John Gillerman >> SISCO >> www.sisconet.com >> T: 732 937-9745 >> F: 775-667-0355 >> M: 732 979-9595 >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: David Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info] >> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:56 PM >> > To: john.gillerman@sisconet.com; 'Duane Nickull'; 'BEDINI >> > Ivan RD-BIZZ-CAE' >> > Cc: 'Chiusano Joseph'; regrep@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Farrukh >> > Najmi'; 'Breininger, Kathryn R' >> > Subject: Re: [regrep] Standards approval process >> > >> > John, >> > >> > I believe the RegRep SCM SC is working more in that area. >> > >> > DW >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "John Gillerman" <john.gillerman@sisconet.com> >> > To: "'Duane Nickull'" <dnickull@adobe.com>; "'BEDINI Ivan >> > RD-BIZZ-CAE'" >> > <ivan.bedini@francetelecom.com> >> > Cc: "'Chiusano Joseph'" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>; >> > <regrep@lists.oasis-open.org>; "'Farrukh Najmi'" >> > <Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM>; "'Breininger, Kathryn R'" >> > <kathryn.r.breininger@boeing.com>; "'David Webber (XML)'" >> > <david@drrw.info> >> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:12 PM >> > Subject: RE: [regrep] Standards approval process >> > >> > >> > > Duane, >> > > >> > > Am I confused or are we were looking at RDF/OWL to >> > serialize this sort of >> > > stuff? Isn't RDF/OWL more appropriate than XMI here? >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > >> > > John Gillerman >> > > SISCO >> > > www.sisconet.com >> > > T: 732 937-9745 >> > > F: 775-667-0355 >> > > M: 732 979-9595 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com] >> > > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:53 AM >> > > > To: BEDINI Ivan RD-BIZZ-CAE >> > > > Cc: Chiusano Joseph; regrep@lists.oasis-open.org; Farrukh >> > > > Najmi; Breininger, Kathryn R; David Webber (XML) >> > > > Subject: Re: [regrep] Standards approval process >> > > > >> > > > Ivan: >> > > > >> > > > The document is not complete and there are problems that >> > > > UN/CEFACT has clearly not addressed yet. For that reason, I >> > > > am stopping work on this document. >> > > > >> > > > joseph is correct - the serialization is far more important >> > > > than the storage. Please get off this whole idea of how to >> > > > map to the RIM until it is understood what the serialization >> > > > will be. There is a dependency on this and until this is >> > > > solved, you and everyone else working on the storage are >> > > > probably not spending your time well. >> > > > >> > > > Some partial answers inline: >> > > > >> > > > BEDINI Ivan RD-BIZZ-CAE wrote: >> > > > >> > > > >how to represent an ABIE for example. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > XML Schema can represent this. There are things that XML >> > > > Schema cannot do and those will be limitations. >> > > > >> > > > >an ABIE normally is an aggregate of more simplest basic >> > > > components and >> > > > >less simplest associations to others aggregate objects. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Associations may be represented in the registry but in a >> > > > serialization, they can be expressed again using XML Schema >> > > > (or XMI perhaps). >> > > > >> > > > >to define an ABIE you need to define its structure too >> > and I can't >> > > > >understand how we can define that in the property element of the >> > > > >serialisation. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Again - XML schema and XMI are the best tools we have. >> > > > >> > > > >there, all elements are only sequentially put in the XML >> > > > document and >> > > > >so doing we lose : >> > > > >- the structure of a CC >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Not true. It is still referencable via the UUID. >> > > > >> > > > >- all associations between CCs >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Not true - you can query the registry. >> > > > >> > > > >- XML potentialities to automate structure and semantic >> > > > controls of the >> > > > >data submission. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > We actually wrote such an engine to help build documents out >> > > > of CC's with context declarations. It is not a trivial >> > thing to do. >> > > > >> > > > There is a lot of work that needs to be done. >> > > > >> > > > Duane Nickull >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > *********** >> > > > Senior Standards Strategist - Adobe Systems, Inc. - >> > > > http://www.adobe.com Vice Chair - UN/CEFACT Bureau Plenary - >> > > > http://www.unece.org/cefact/ Chair - OASIS eb SOA TC - >> > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=ebsoa >> > > > *********** >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from >> > > > the roster of the OASIS TC), go to >> > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/regrep/members/le >> > > > ave_workgroup.php. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from >> > the roster of >> > the OASIS TC), go to >> > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/regrep/members/le >> > ave_workgroup.php. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of > the OASIS TC), go to > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/regrep/members/leave_workgroup.php. >> >> >> > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of > the OASIS TC), go to > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/regrep/members/leave_workgroup.php. > > -- Carl Mattocks co-Chair OASIS (ISO/TS 15000) ebXMLRegistry Semantic Content SC co-Chair OASIS Business Centric Methodology TC CEO CHECKMi v/f (usa) 908 322 8715 www.CHECKMi.com Semantically Smart Compendiums [AOL] IM CarlCHECKMi
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