Raw Minutes Chat for meeting #17 on 2018-05-16

["Mr. Stefan Hagen" <stefan@hagen.link>]

[18:14] Room information was updated by: Stefan Hagen
SARIF TC Meeting #17 on 2018-MAY-16 16:30 - 18:30 UTC

Agenda Draft: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/63092/agenda_20180516.html
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Minutes of previous meeting: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/63047/sarif-minutes-20180502-meeting-16.html
[18:16] Stefan Hagen: @All: I do not know, why the meeting https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sarif/event.php?event_id=47351 does not show on our workgroup page but if one selects Calender -> this week t is there ...=(
[18:20] Stefan Hagen: Voting Members: 4 of 13 (30%) (used for quorum calculation)
[18:22] Larry Golding: Michael are you there?
[18:26] Stefan Hagen: Still Voting Members: 4 of 13 (30%) (used for quorum calculation)  (one Member added)
[18:27] Stefan Hagen: Agenda draft as service:
[18:27] Stefan Hagen: Agenda for May 16, 2018
MEETING OF OASIS SARIF TECHNICAL COMMITTEE

Time 09:30-11:30 PDT / 16:30-18:30 UTC
Meeting Chat Location http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/sarif
Meeting Audio https://meet.lync.com/microsoft/mikefan/TKVJ7MS2

1. Opening Activities

1.1 Opening comments (Co-Chair Keaton)
1.2 Introduction of participants/roll call (Co-Chair Cartey)
1.3 Procedures for this meeting (Co-Chair Keaton)
1.4 Approval of agenda (Co-Chair Keaton)
1.5 Approval of previous minutes [Minutes of 2018-05-02 Meeting#16] (Co-Chair Keaton)
1.6 Review of action items and resolutions (Secretary Hagen)
1.7 Identification of SARIF TC voting members (Co-Chair Cartey)
1.7.1 Prospective members attending their first meeting
1.7.2 Members attaining voting rights at the end of this meeting
1.7.3 Members losing voting rights if they have not joined this meeting by the time it ends
1.7.4 Members who previously lost voting rights who are attending this meeting
1.7.5 Members who have declared a leave of absence
2. Timeline Status

2.1 Note where we are on the schedule [SARIF TC Timeline] (Co-Chair Keaton)
         - 19 open issues marked CSD.1, 3 more than noted in the last meeting's agenda
3. Future Meetings

3.1 Future meeting schedule (Co-Chair Keaton)
Scheduled teleconferences (Wednesdays at 09:30 PDT / 16:30 UTC)
May 30
Proposed teleconferences (Wednesdays at 09:30 PDT / 16:30 UTC)
June 6
June 20
June 27
4. Document Progress (Co-Editors Golding and Fanning)

4.1 Editors' report
4.2 Approval of changes
Discuss the following items individually, then vote on them together unless someone would like to separate out an issue for individual vote.
4.2.1 Problems with regions [#93]
4.2.2 Expand code flows to represent dynamic execution events [#161]
4.2.3 Specify handling of line breaks [#103]
4.2.4 Clarify treatment of backslashes and square brackets with respect to embedded links [#153]
4.2.5 Consider a download/install uri for the tool [#138]
4.2.6 Consider adding timestamp to file object [#141]
4.2.7 Add 'returnType', 'parameter' and 'local' to logical location kind [#143]
4.2.8 Roles for edited files [#160]
4.2.9 Clarify requirements on tool.semanticVersion [#157]
4.2.10 run.automationId is namespaced [#162]
4.2.11 Add result.workItemLocation [#163]
4.2.12 Id property renames [#159]
4.2.13 Define an "engineering system" conformance profile [#166]
4.2.14 Add run.description [#165]
4.3 Discussions
4.3.1 Support nested graphs [#149]
4.3.2 Introduce result.correlationId and clarify purpose of result.fingerprints array [#158]
4.3.3 Decide how to handle uncommon line break characters [#169]
4.3.4 Any other new issues that need to be discussed
5. Other Business

5.1 Sarif MIME type (Co-Chair Cartey)
6. Resolutions and Decisions reached (by 10 minutes prior to scheduled meeting end)

6.1 End debate of other issues by 10 minutes prior to scheduled meeting end and follow the agenda from this point (Co-Chair Keaton)
6.2 Review of Decisions Reached (Secretary Hagen)
6.3 Review of Action Items (Secretary Hagen)
7. Next Meeting

May 30, 2018 / 09:30-11:30 PDT / 16:30-18:30 UTC
8. Adjournment

[18:30] anonymous morphed into [Co-Chair] David Keaton
[18:30] Stefan Hagen: Voting Members: 5 of 13 (38%) (used for quorum calculation)  (6 participants - please register yourselves, thanks)
[18:31] Stefan Hagen: Voting Members: 8 of 13 (61%) (used for quorum calculation)
[18:32] Stefan Hagen: 1. Opening Activities

1.1 Opening comments (Co-Chair Keaton)
[18:32] Stefan Hagen: 1.2 Introduction of participants/roll call (Co-Chair Cartey)
[18:34] Stefan Hagen: 1.3 Procedures for this meeting (Co-Chair Keaton)
[18:35] Stefan Hagen: 1.4 Approval of agenda (Co-Chair Keaton)
[18:35] Stefan Hagen: Everett moves to approve the agenda, seoncded
[18:35] Stefan Hagen: Laurence moves to amend the agenda moving 4.3.1 should be regions issue, seconded
[18:36] Stefan Hagen: No objection to amend in that way, unanimous consent, the motion to approve the agenda is amended
[18:36] Stefan Hagen: No further discussion the motion to approve the agenda carries
[18:36] Stefan Hagen: 1.5 Approval of previous minutes [Minutes of 2018-05-02 Meeting#16] (Co-Chair Keaton)
[18:37] Stefan Hagen: Minutes approved unchanged as published
[18:37] Stefan Hagen: 1.6 Review of action items and resolutions (Secretary Hagen)
[18:38] Stefan Hagen: 1.7 Identification of SARIF TC voting members (Co-Chair Cartey)
[18:38] Stefan Hagen: 1.7.1 Prospective members attending their first meeting
1.7.2 Members attaining voting rights at the end of this meeting
1.7.3 Members losing voting rights if they have not joined this meeting by the time it ends
1.7.4 Members who previously lost voting rights who are attending this meeting
1.7.5 Members who have declared a leave of absence
2. Timeline Status
[18:38] Stefan Hagen: 2.1 Note where we are on the schedule [SARIF TC Timeline] (Co-Chair Keaton)
         - 19 open issues marked CSD.1, 3 more than noted in the last meeting's agenda
3. Future Meetings

3.1 Future meeting schedule (Co-Chair Keaton)
Scheduled teleconferences (Wednesdays at 09:30 PDT / 16:30 UTC)
May 30
Proposed teleconferences (Wednesdays at 09:30 PDT / 16:30 UTC)
June 6
June 20
June 27
[18:39] Stefan Hagen: Michael moves to approve the june meetings
[18:39] Stefan Hagen: seconded
[18:40] Stefan Hagen: Yekatarina will not be able to join June 27
[18:40] Stefan Hagen: No further discussion, no objections, so the June 6, 20, 27 meeting dates at the usual time are approved
[18:40] Stefan Hagen: 4. Document Progress (Co-Editors Golding and Fanning)

4.1 Editors' report
[18:41] Stefan Hagen: Laurence walks us through the editorial report
[18:42] Stefan Hagen: https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/blob/master/EditorsReports/Editor's%20report%202018-05-16.md
[18:42] Stefan Hagen: 4.2 Approval of changes
Discuss the following items individually, then vote on them together unless someone would like to separate out an issue for individual vote.
[18:43] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.1 Problems with regions [#93] shifted
[18:43] Stefan Hagen: https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/161
[18:43] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.2 Expand code flows to represent dynamic execution events [#161]
[18:45] Stefan Hagen: Michael summarises the status of the issue/change
[18:48] Stefan Hagen: All discuss
[18:52] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.3 Specify handling of line breaks [#103] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/103
[18:52] Stefan Hagen: Michael summarises the status of the issue / changes
[18:54] Stefan Hagen: No discussion
[18:54] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.4 Clarify treatment of backslashes and square brackets with respect to embedded links [#153] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/153
[18:56] Stefan Hagen: Michael summarises the issue / changes.
[18:56] Stefan Hagen: No discussion
[18:56] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.5 Consider a download/install uri for the tool [#138] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/138
[18:58] Stefan Hagen: Addition to 4.2.4 #153, Laurence notes, that the link text = ? JSON string character ? - square bracket is a JSON string character but it has to be escaped as part of a link
[18:59] Stefan Hagen: Question is how to represent this nit in the ABNF
[18:59] Stefan Hagen: **note** in case of approval this addition to ABNF grammar should be included
[18:59] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.6 Consider adding timestamp to file object [#141] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/141
[18:59] Stefan Hagen: not yet =(
[18:59] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.5 Consider a download/install uri for the tool [#138] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/138
[19:00] Stefan Hagen: Michael summarises the issue / changes
[19:00] Stefan Hagen: No discussion
[19:00] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.6 Consider adding timestamp to file object [#141] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/141
[19:03] Stefan Hagen: No discussion
[19:03] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.7 Add 'returnType', 'parameter' and 'local' to logical location kind [#143] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/143
[19:03] Stefan Hagen: Michael summarises the issue / changes
[19:04] Stefan Hagen: Laurence agrees that variable seems to be preferable to local variable
[19:06] Stefan Hagen: **note** suggested is to amend this change to reword the SHALL to SHOULD use the programming language matching syntax for location indication
[19:06] Stefan Hagen: (for the logicalLocation
[19:06] Stefan Hagen: )
[19:06] Stefan Hagen: No further discussion
[19:06] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.8 Roles for edited files [#160] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/160
[19:07] Stefan Hagen: Michael summarises the issue / changes
[19:08] Stefan Hagen: @All scribe cut off of voice line ...
[19:09] Stefan Hagen: ... and back
[19:15] Stefan Hagen: All discuss
[19:23] Stefan Hagen: **note** Laurence received all required input from discussion to rename / as proposed changed requested from Jim all agree
[19:23] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.9 Clarify requirements on tool.semanticVersion [#157] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/157
[19:24] Stefan Hagen: Michael and Laurence summarise the issue / change
[19:28] Stefan Hagen: All discuss
[19:36] Stefan Hagen: No further discussion
[19:36] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.10 run.automationId is namespaced [#162] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/162
[19:36] Stefan Hagen: Michael summarises the issue / changes
[19:40] Stefan Hagen: All discuss
[19:53] Stefan Hagen: No further dscussion
[19:53] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.11 Add result.workItemLocation [#163] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/163
[19:54] Stefan Hagen: Michael shortly summarises the issue / changes
[19:55] Stefan Hagen: Laurence mentions that there are many mentions of various kinds of locations and he highlights we are still not consistent in that regard - he suggests to wether to standardise on one or the other or wether it makes sense to have diversity there
[19:56] Stefan Hagen: No further discussion
[19:57] Stefan Hagen: **action** on editors to propose a thoughtful decision on the location addressing / naming
[19:57] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.12 Id property renames [#159] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/159
[19:57] Stefan Hagen: and ...
[19:57] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.13 Define an "engineering system" conformance profile [#166] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/166
[19:57] Stefan Hagen: share one proposal draft
[19:59] Stefan Hagen: Michael walks all through the draft proposal document (laurence spots a typo text execution instead of test execution)
[20:02] Stefan Hagen: Laurence is not convinced of automationLogicalId (why not cut off Logical ?)
[20:02] Stefan Hagen: ... Laurence: But only Id looked a bit weak on the semantics ...
[20:03] Stefan Hagen: Laurence is OK with it
[20:03] Stefan Hagen: No further discussion
[20:03] Stefan Hagen: 4.2.14 Add run.description [#165] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/165
[20:03] Stefan Hagen: Michael summarises the issue / changes
[20:04] Stefan Hagen: No discussion
[20:04] Stefan Hagen: 4.3 Discussions
4.3.1 Problems with regions [#93] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/93
[20:05] Stefan Hagen: First motion to approve changes ...
[20:05] Stefan Hagen: Laurence moves to accept all the change draft in the section 4.2 of the amended agenda.
[20:06] Stefan Hagen: @Laurence please put the amendment into the chat - thanks I seem to have slow ears ... 
[20:07] Stefan Hagen: seconded
[20:07] Stefan Hagen: Changes are approved as amended
[20:07] Stefan Hagen: 4.3 Discussions
4.3.1 Problems with regions [#93] - https://github.com/oasis-tcs/sarif-spec/issues/93
[20:07] Stefan Hagen: Laurence summarises the issue and the change
[20:10] Stefan Hagen: Jim has three issues with this. 1) not inclusive range notion - all tools known to him have inclusive ranges (an insertion point would be noted as line plus character length zero)
[20:10] Stefan Hagen: All discuss
[20:11] Stefan Hagen: Michael mentions one off errors that might be caused with inclusive ranges and also counting lines in regions would be more easy with half open intervals (non-inclusive at the end)
[20:14] Stefan Hagen: Jim acknowledges the usefulness of the exclusive (left open interval) but still sees the impedance mismatch with most tools he knows remains as a problem
[20:16] Stefan Hagen: All note, that line info is inclusive and column information is exclusive
[20:16] Stefan Hagen: @All again the scribe has been kicked out of the skype session =( ...
[20:17] Stefan Hagen: ... scribe back
[20:19] Stefan Hagen: All note, that there may be some inconsistencies in the current spec revision and the perceived ending policy might differ from some parts notion of it (inclusive / exclusive)
[20:20] Stefan Hagen: Jm notes his 2) issue - which seems to be already resolved as all agree that line ranges are closed
[20:21] Stefan Hagen: Jim notes 3) that there is no default value, when the end column is absent
[20:22] Stefan Hagen: **action** on the editors to capture these issues into a new github issue
[20:23] Stefan Hagen: 5. Other Business
[20:23] Stefan Hagen: Jim will be on vacation for the net weeks
[20:23] Stefan Hagen: 6.2 Review of Decisions Reached (Secretary Hagen)
6.3 Review of Action Items (Secretary Hagen)
[20:24] Stefan Hagen: **action** on editors to propose a thoughtful decision on the location addressing / naming
**action** on the editors to capture these issues into a new github issue
[20:24] Stefan Hagen: 7. Next Meeting

May 30, 2018 / 09:30-11:30 PDT / 16:30-18:30 UTC
8. Adjournment
[20:25] Stefan Hagen: Meeting adjourned by chair