RE: [sca-assembly] Discussion Proposed solutions before premature motion and long ammendement chains

["Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>]

This was approved as a Committee Specification prior to the conformance
deadline.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Chapman [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:45 PM
> To: 'Simon Nash'; 'Mike Edwards'
> Cc: 'OASIS Assembly'
> Subject: RE: [sca-assembly] Discussion Proposed solutions before premature
> motion and long ammendement chains
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> We have to be able to efficiently dispose of those resolutions that are
> approximately ok vs those that the group will not accept no
> matter what the wording. When people request changing a particular word for
> another word at the start of a discussion  its hard to
> know if a proposal is acceptable at all. Therefore it is on all of us to
> express general agreement/disagreement before getting into
> nitty gritty wording, and to read and comment on proposals in between
> meetings.
> 
> Martin.
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 3:34 PM
> >To: Mike Edwards
> >Cc: OASIS Assembly
> >Subject: Re: [sca-assembly] Discussion Proposed solutions
> >before premature motion and long ammendement chains
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> >I agree.  We have to find a way to get through discussions
> >like this more
> >efficiently, or we will never get to a finished spec.
> >
> >    Simon
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> >Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
> >Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
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> >Mike Edwards/UK/IBM@IBMGB
> >17/10/2007 13:19
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> >Subject
> >Re: [sca-assembly] Discussion Proposed solutions before
> >premature motion
> >and long ammendement chains
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> >Tom,
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> >Big +1 from me.
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> >How about you put this forward as a standing rule motion at the next
> >Assembly call.
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> >I think that it is far better to get problems with the wording
> >sorted out
> >before formal motions take place.
> >Motions can be an abysmal and slow way of changing text.
> >
> >If there is a problem that folk have with the nature of the
> >proposal, that
> >is a different matter.  That is where
> >amendments to formal motions allow for good decisionmaking.
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> >
> >Yours,  Mike.
> >
> >Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
> >Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
> >IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.
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> >Tom Rutt <tom@coastin.com>
> >16/10/2007 16:45
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> >Please respond to
> >tom@coastin.com
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> >Subject
> >[sca-assembly] Discussion Proposed solutions before premature
> >motion and
> >long ammendement chains
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> >In discussing the issue 6, a Motion was made to accept the proposed
> >solution, before we had time to
> >discuss the wording of the proposal.
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> >In many committees, it has been allowed to have wordsmith to a
> >proposed
> >issue resolution before a motion
> >to accept is made.
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> >This allows easier discussion of the wording changes without
> >going thru
> >a painful chain of ammendments.
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> >I suggest that motions should not be made until there has been
> >discussion of the proposed resolution, and
> >people have had a chance to voice all their concerns on the
> >proposed text.
> >
> >Tom Rutt
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