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Subject: Draft minutes of 2007-11-27 are attached


Title: SCA-Assy - 2007-11-27

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SCA-Assembly TC Teleconference

27 NOV 2007

Attendees

Present
Charlton Barreto, (Adobe Systems)
fred carter, (AmberPoint)
Dale Moberg, (Axway Software*)
David DiFranco, (BEA Systems, Inc.)
Jim Marino, (BEA Systems, Inc.)
Michael Rowley, (BEA Systems, Inc.)
Tom Rutt, (Fujitsu Limited*)
Robert Freund, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Eric Wells, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Michael Beisiegel, (IBM)
David Booz, (IBM)
Graham Charters, (IBM)
Mike Edwards, (IBM)
Dieter Koenig, (IBM)
Simon Nash, (IBM)
Peter Niblett, (IBM)
Peter Furniss, (Iris Financial Solutions Ltd.)
Jeff Estefan, (Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*)
Martin Chapman, (Oracle Corporation)
Khanderao Kand, (Oracle Corporation)
Anish Karmarkar, (Oracle Corporation)
Jason Kinner, (Oracle Corporation)
Ashok Malhotra, (Oracle Corporation)
Ron Barack, (SAP AG*)
Henning Blohm, (SAP AG*)
Sanjay Patil, (SAP AG*)
Peter Peshev, (SAP AG*)
Peter Walker, (Sun Microsystems)
Sabin Ielceanu, (TIBCO Software Inc.)
Scott Vorthmann, (TIBCO Software Inc.)
Chair
Chapman and Edwards
Scribe
Bob Freund
Agenda:
1. Opening
Introductions
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing
2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Assembly TC meeting of 6th November
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200710/msg00131.html
3. Proposal for an Assembly F2F
a) There is an offer on the table for Oracle to host at Redwood Shores
b) The proposed dates are January 22/23 with a Policy TC F2F on January 24/25
4. New Issues
ASSEMBLY-27 Default URI construction rules aren't consistent with compatible service evolution
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-27
5. Open Issues
ASSEMBLY-6: usage of not promoted references
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-6
ASSEMBLY-11: Define conformance targets
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-11
6. AOB

Contents

Topics
[1]  Opening
[2]  Approval of Minutes
[3]  Proposed face to face meeting
[4]  New issue
[5]  Assembly-6
[6]  Assembly-11 Defining conformance targets
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items

Action Items

New:
2007-11-27-1: Chapman to knock it into RFC2119 shape due=2007-12-04
2007-11-27-2: Edwards to address the wired-by-impl case due=2007-12-04
2007-11-27-3: Chapman to write a proposal defining conformance targets intending to close assembly-11 due=2007-12-04

Resolutions


Minutes

Scribe: Bob Freund

Opening

 
Roll - meeting quorate with 27 of 35 present
 
Agenda agreed

Approval of Minutes

<Mike Edwards>
Resolution: m:Walker s:Wells minutes of 2007-11-20 approved w/o

Proposed face to face meeting

Edwards:
Oracle has offered to host the meeting at Redwood Shores on January 22 and 23, 2008 followed by a policy tc the next two following days
 
scribes notes that there were no objections or discussion concerning the offer

New issue

<Ashok Malhotra>
I will send out directions etc. later
<Mike Edwards>
thx Ashok
Nash:
Introduces his new issue recorded at http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-27
Resolution: m:Nash s:Khanderao New issue assembly-27 opened w/o
Edwards:
there have been other new issues posted, but they will not appear on the agenda until next week

Assembly-6

 
proposed resolution by Edwards is in message 74 in the November archive
<Mike Edwards>
Edwards:
Reviews his proposal
 
... There have ben several contributers invluding Peshev and Rowley and others to construct this composite proposal
 
... I propose a whole new subsection following line 330 such proposed text is contained in the referenced email above
Chapman:
Be forewarned that line numbers may vary based on different versions of word that reviewers may be using.
 
... These line numbers are relative to version 3.01
 
... It would be better to post in pdf to prevent line numbers from moving around.
Edwards:
I have no objection to that
<Mike Edwards>
The assembler or the deployer of a composite MUST ensure that references
are properly configured according to these rules.
<Mike Edwards>
Propose removing that sentence entirely
Anish:
I am curious why errors should be generated rather than must be generated
Henning:
errors may be detected earlier than at run time, errors should be discovered as soon as possible
Edwards:
It would be exhausting at this point to develop an exhaustive list of errors
Booz:
Editors be aware that there are some typos in the proposal
<Mike Edwards>
wired-by-impl case is missing from section 3.0.1
Ielceanu:
Why is the wired by impl not specified in this list?
Edwards:
Good point
Chapman:
we need to work on the RFC2119 bits, for example in the first paragraph in 3.0.1
 
... is that may English or RFC2119 MAY
<anish>
we can substitute can or may when we mean it in the English sense
<charlton>
+1 to Martin
<Sanjay>
+1 to Martin
<charlton>
i'll be glad to take a section to help out martin
<Michael Rowley>
5. MAY This word, or the adjective "OPTIONAL", mean that an item is
truly optional. One vendor may choose to include the item because a
particular marketplace requires it or because the vendor feels that
it enhances the product while another vendor may omit the same item.
An implementation which does not include a particular option MUST be
prepared to interoperate with another implementation which does
include the option, though perhaps with reduced functionality. In the
same vein an implementation which does include a particular option
MUST be prepared to interoperate with another implementation which
does not include the option (except, of course, for the feature the
option provides.)
Action: Chapman to knock it into RFC2119 shape due=2007-12-04
Action: Edwards to address the wired-by-impl case due=2007-12-04

Assembly-11 Defining conformance targets

<anish>
this issue looks like it needs more email discussion
 
Chapman discuses various opportunities for the definition of conformance targets in particular, humans cannot be identified as conformance targets
Action: Chapman to write a proposal defining conformance targets intending to close assembly-11 due=2007-12-04
Chapman:
AOB?
 
straggler roll
<Mike Edwards>
Thanks folks
<Martin C>

[End of Minutes]
Formatted on 2007-11-27 at 13:09:24 GMT-5


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