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Subject: Draft Minutes of 2007-12-18 are attached


Title: SCA-Assy - 2007-12-18

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SCA-Assembly TC Teleconference

18 DEC 2007

Attendees

Present
Duane Nickull, (Adobe Systems)
Dale Moberg, (Axway Software*)
David DiFranco, (BEA Systems, Inc.)
Michael Rowley, (BEA Systems, Inc.)
Jacques Durand, (Fujitsu Limited*)
Tom Rutt, (Fujitsu Limited*)
Robert Freund, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Eisaku Nishiyama, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Eric Wells, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Michael Beisiegel, (IBM)
Graham Charters, (IBM)
Mike Edwards, (IBM)
Dieter Koenig, (IBM)
Simon Moser, (IBM)
Simon Nash, (IBM)
Peter Niblett, (IBM)
Jeff Estefan, (Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*)
Jason Kinner, (Oracle Corporation)
Rich Levinson, (Oracle Corporation)
Ashok Malhotra, (Oracle Corporation)
Ron Barack, (SAP AG*)
Vladislav Bezrukov, (SAP AG*)
Henning Blohm, (SAP AG*)
Sanjay Patil, (SAP AG*)
Peter Walker, (Sun Microsystems)
Scott Vorthmann, (TIBCO Software Inc.)
Chair
Edwards
Scribe
Bob Freund
Agenda:
1. Opening
Introductions
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing
2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Assembly TC meeting of 11th December
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/26385/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202007-12-11.html
3. Logistics
Future meetings and F2F.
4. Open Issues
ASSEMBLY-11: Define conformance targets
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-11
- proposal is in the following email:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200712/msg00051.html
ASSEMBLY-30: Incorrect description of child elements in Assembly
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-30
- proposal is inline in the issue.
Status of ISSUES 13 - 26 inclusive:
- should they be in "OPEN" state?
5. New Issues
ASSEMBLY-34: Define error handling
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-34
ASSEMBLY-35: Confusing words in Section 5.3 relating to Conversational Intent
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-35
6. Status of Specification Draft
Report from the Spec Editors
7. AOB

Contents

Topics
[1]  Opening
[2]  Open issues
[3]  Assembly-11 Conformance Targets
[4]  Assembly-30
[5]  New Issue Assembly-34 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-34
[6]  New Issue Assembly-35 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-35
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items

Action Items

New:
2007-12-18-1: Chapman to re-work his proposal based on [1] above

Resolutions


Minutes

Scribe: Bob Freund

Opening

 
Roll- Meeting Quorate with 22 of 35 voting members
 
Agenda agreed w/o
Resolution: m:Henning s:Walker minutes of 2007-12-11 approved w/o
Edwards:
Next meeting will be 2007-01-08
 
... propose canceling the telecon of 2008-01-20 since it is the same day as the face to face
 
... will post the agenda so that it may ber discussed at the next telecon

Open issues

Assembly-11 Conformance Targets

 
Rowley:
I think that it is the document in the context of the domain n'est pas?
Nash:
We must be very clear to clarify such things with contextual information
Rowley:
Granularity of conformance might be an entire document.
Edwards:
The equivalence of our document might be a Java class file which may be validated
Rowley:
Various requirements might be more stringent than merely the equivalance of a valid Java class
 
... for example there are a bunch of things that schema will not tell you
Nash:
It may be too rigid to define in the spec as to whether certain MUSTS were deployment MUSTS rather than run time MUSTS.
Edwards:
Deployment is a phase, perhaps it might be good to not be too descriptive as to what thing is doing the deployment
 
A few: No, we don't think so, they are one and the same.
Rowley:
from Jacques comment, it may depend on what method you may use to obtain certification.
Jacques:
It may be hard to identify an entity that exists for only a brief moment.
Nash:
We may get ourselves too bound up concerning the transitions between responsible entities
Nickull:
Queues are inherently transient
<Sanjay>
Let us just call it SCA System (runtime + deployment tool + ...)
<EricW>
+1 to Simon N & jacques, etc. It may not be possible to clearly differentiate these "conceptual categories" for actual implementations.
Jacques:
The conformance target is one thing, the target of a precise normative statement is another thing
 
... a conformance target might be a much bigger entity defined in a conformance clause and related to certification
Rowley:
I would like to see more work on the artifacts of a conformance target...
<Michael Rowley>
[1]Could you clarify what it means for an individual artifact to "conform", especially with respect to any rules that might need to refer to the context in which the artifact is being used (binding types, intents, implementation types, etc)?
Action: Chapman to re-work his proposal based on [1] above

Assembly-30

 
Edwards takes off his chair hat and speaks for the proposal
<Mike Edwards>
(from the proposal)
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!-- (c) Copyright SCA Collaboration 2006, 2007 -->
<schema xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"
targetNamespace="http://www.osoa.org/xmlns/sca/1.0"
xmlns:sca="http://www.osoa.org/xmlns/sca/1.0"
elementFormDefault="qualified">
<include schemaLocation="sca-core.xsd"/>
<element name="binding.sca" type="sca:SCABinding"
substitutionGroup="sca:binding"/>
<complexType name="SCABinding">
<complexContent>
<extension base="sca:Binding">
<anyAttribute namespace="##any" processContents="lax"/>
</extension>
</complexContent>
</complexType>
</schema>
<Mike Edwards>
<operation name="xs:NCName" requires="list of xs:QName"? policySets="list of xs:QName"?>*
 
Edwards returns as chair
Malhotra:
Can we ask Moberg to review this proposal since he has exposed several schema issues?
 
... can you run it through oXygen to see how it works?
Moberg:
I already checked it out. It works if the redundant elements have been removed
Resolution: m:Malhotra s: Moberg Proposal to close Assembly-11 accepted w/o

New Issue Assembly-34 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-34

 
Edwards reads the post, there is no proposal offered
Jacques:
Points out the xmlp decision concerning the distinction between raising and reporting an error
Resolution: m:Rowley s:Malhotra New Issue Assembly-34 accepted w/o

New Issue Assembly-35 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-35

 
Edwards describes the new issue since he is the raiser of the new issue
<Sanjay>
Chairs, the link in the agenda for the minutes of the last meeting (12/11) points to the minutes of a previous meeting (12/4). I am not sure what we approved on the call today.
Rowley:
This might be best referred to the policy group to leverage the policy intent mechanism
Resolution: m:Nash s:Moberg new issue Assembly-35 accepted w/o
 
Meeting is running over-time
Edwards:
Editors, please give some thought to a progress report next call
 
stragglers' roll
 
Adjourned
<Mike Edwards>
Thanks folks

[End of Minutes]
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