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Subject: Re: [opencsa-liaison] RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and SpecificationCDs....


 > And who will be providing the requisite namespace document?

Mary, if you point me to one or more examples I will write the namespace 
document.

Ashok

Mary McRae wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
>  
>
>   One of the concerns expressed when the notion of a common namespace 
> was initially brought up was the matter of control and approval. I 
> believe that sca-policy was directed by the sca-assembly TC to use 
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200712. While this document 
> has not yet gone for Public Review, and no namespace document was 
> provided, I would like to ensure that this is all worked out before 
> more documents get to the Committee Draft / Public Review stage. 
> Sca-bpel is **also** using the 200712 namespace. Who will instruct the 
> TCs that the namespace used in their specifications needs to be 
> updated? Should all namespace requests be handled by the Open CSA 
> Liaison subcommittee?
>
>  
>
> And who will be providing the requisite namespace document?
>
>  
>
> Mary
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Mike Edwards [mailto:mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:25 PM
> *To:* OASIS Assembly
> *Subject:* RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs....
>
>  
>
>
> Martin, Sanjay,
>
> Thanks for digging this out.  So, the formal proposal, which should be 
> placed into the CD of the Assembly spec is:
>
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200803
>
> Now, this episode says also the following:
>
> a) we need to make clearer decisions as recorded in the meeting 
> minutes - this is a case of something very
> confusing being recorded.  Not blaming anyone but myself as chair for 
> that, but it does need to change.
>
> b) we need to vote again on the format, since there is a change 
> (forced by OASIS) from the format agreed by the TC
> - don't think that anyone will object, but I'd like to see a formal 
> agreement to the actual format that we're going to use
>
>
> Yours,  Mike.
>
> Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
> Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
> IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.
> Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014    Mobile: +44-7802-467431  
> Email:  mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
>
> *"Patil, Sanjay" <sanjay.patil@sap.com>*
>
> 26/02/2008 16:26
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> To
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> "Martin Chapman" <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, "OASIS Assembly" 
> <sca-assembly@lists.oasis-open.org>
>
> cc
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> Subject
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> RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs....
>
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>  
> If you follow the link in Martin's email below and open the attachment 
> pointed at the bottom of that link, you will find the right proposal 
> [1] for the namespace URI design.
>  
> The additional change OASIS staff later required is - insertion of the 
> token 'ns' in the namespace URI.
>  
> Assuming that the ballot for the first CD passes in Mar 2008, then the 
> namespace URI that would be compliant with the proposal we have 
> adopted and that incorporates the change suggested by the OASIS staff 
> would look as follows:
>  
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200803
>  
> -- Sanjay
>  
> [1] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200710/bin00002.bin 
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Martin Chapman [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com] *
> Sent:* Tuesday, Feb 26, 2008 8:04 AM*
> To:* 'OASIS Assembly'*
> Subject:* RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs....
>
> Here's a link to the mail i thought we had agreed.
>  
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200710/msg00096.html 
>
> -----Original Message-----*
> From:* Martin Chapman [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com] *
> Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:53 PM*
> To:* 'Mike Edwards'; 'OASIS Assembly'*
> Subject:* RE: [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs....
>
> This is not what I thought we had agreed to do. We only need to rev 
> the namespace when non-backwards compatible changes are made, not at 
> each CD etc.
>  
> Martin.
> -----Original Message-----*
> From:* Mike Edwards [mailto:mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com] *
> Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:02 AM*
> To:* OASIS Assembly*
> Subject:* [sca-assembly] Namespaces and Specification CDs....
>
>
> Folks,
>
> My view on the namespace is that we should aim to have one and one 
> only and not change it
> at all until the publication of the "final" version of the 
> specification.  Making changes for every
> CD makes no sense to me.  The CD's are drafts and have no "official" 
> status.
>
> Folks who are trying to "follow" the XSDs etc during the spec 
> development process will simply
> have to put up with the changes, with no assistance from dates in the 
> NS's.  Only once there is
> something official available will there be a need to mark any future 
> changes with a different NS.
>
> So, to cut to the chase how about the following as a namespace for 
> assembly:
>
>
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/OpenCSA/SCA-Common/200803
>
>
>
> ...we can vote to change to a later dated namespace once we get near 
> final publication of OASIS SCA 1.0....
>
> Yours,  Mike.
>
> Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
> Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
> IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.
> Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014    Mobile: +44-7802-467431  
> Email:  mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
>
> *Anish Karmarkar <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>*
>
> 26/02/2008 02:00
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> To
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> Bryan Aupperle <aupperle@us.ibm.com>
>
> cc
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> 	
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> sca-assembly@lists.oasis-open.org
>
> Subject
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> Re: [sca-assembly] Groups - sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc uploaded
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> I agree.
> But before we do that we need to figure out a NS change policy: when
> would we change the namespace between two CDS? Would there be a change
> for every version, or would it change only when there is a backward
> incompatible change? Do we need to sync up the NS between various TCs?
>
> Putting such a policy in place would be helpful for early
> adopters/implementers.
>
> -Anish
> --
>
> Bryan Aupperle wrote:
>>
>> I know this is a nit, but if we are going to consider WD 03 as a
>> potential CD, doesn't that mean that date for the namespace will be set
>> and therefore the declared namespace at the front of the document should
>> be filled in and not left as TBD?
>>
>> Bryan Aupperle, Ph.D.
>> STSM, WebSphere Enterprise Platform Software Solution Architect
>> Master Inventor
>>
>> Research Triangle Park,  NC
>> +1 919-254-7508 (T/L 444-7508)
>> Internet Address: aupperle@us.ibm.com
>>
>>
>> *Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com*
>>
>> 02/19/2008 12:50 AM
>>
>>                  
>> To
>>                  sca-assembly@lists.oasis-open.org
>> cc
>>                  
>> Subject
>>                  [sca-assembly] Groups - 
> sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc uploaded
>>
>>
>>                  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The document revision named sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc has been
>> submitted by Dr. Anish Karmarkar to the OASIS Service Component
>> Architecture / Assembly (SCA-Assembly) TC document repository.  This
>> document is revision #2 of sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc.
>>
>> Document Description:
>> WD-03 incorporates issues: 1A, 4, 9, 19, 21, 22
>> +
>> - in Implementation and ComponentType section added attribute and 
> element  
>> description for service, reference, and   property
>> - removed comments that helped understand the initial restructuring for
>> WD02
>> - added changes for issue 43
>> - added changes for issue 45, except the changes for policySet and 
> requires
>> attribute on property elements
>>
>> View Document Details:
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/document.php?document_id=27238
>>
>> Download Document:  
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/27238/sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc
>>
>> Revision:
>> This document is revision #2 of sca-assembly-1.1-spec-WD-03.doc.  The
>> document details page referenced above will show the complete revision
>> history.
>>
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE:  If the above links do not work for you, your email 
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>>
>> -OASIS Open Administration
>>
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All the best, Ashok


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