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OASIS SCA-Assembly TC

04 AUG 2009

Attendees

Present

Mark Combellack	Avaya, Inc.	Group Member
Dale Moberg	Axway Software*	Group Member
Jacques Durand	Fujitsu Limited*	Group Member
Eric Wells	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Michael Beisiegel	IBM	Group Member
Mike Edwards	IBM	Group Member
Dieter Koenig	IBM	Group Member
Simon Nash	Individual	Group Member
Jeff Estefan	Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*	Group Member
Martin Chapman	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Tim Gleason	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Khanderao Kand	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Anish Karmarkar	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Rich Levinson	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Ashok Malhotra	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Jonathan Maron	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Jeff Mischkinsky	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Gilbert Pilz	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Aninda Sengupta	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Sanjay Patil	SAP AG*	Group Member
Najeeb Andrabi	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member
Sabin Ielceanu	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member
Danny van der Rijn	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member
Scott Vorthmann	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member

Chairs

Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards

Scribe

Eric Wells

Agenda:

Introductions
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing

2. Approval of minutes of previous SCA-Assembly TC meeting
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/33573/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202009-07-28.html

3. Action Items:

None

4. TC Administrivia

a) 1st Public Review of the Assembly Model spec ended June 23

Public comments list:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly-comment/

b) Looking for Proposals for all open issues - see Item 8 of this agenda

5. Test Assertions and TestCases

Public Review draft has been voted and sent to TC Administration for external posting.
TC Administration.require RDDL files for new namespaces

6. Existing Issues with Proposals

ASSEMBLY 136: Promoting a reference with multiplicity 1..n and targets should default to 0..n
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-136

Proposal is in the JIRA

New proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200907/msg00091.html

ASSEMBLY 80: Create an Event Processing Model for SCA
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-80

Directional proposal is in this email:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200906/msg00129.html

Continue discussions from previous meeting.

ASSEMBLY 144: ASM50030 and ASM50031 (CD03) are duplicates
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-144

Proposal is in JIRA

ASSEMBLY 147: Assembly Specification does not define the Component Type of a Composite used as an Implementation
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-147

Proposal is in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-150: Some TestCases can only be implemented using specific implementation Languages
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-150

Proposal is in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-155: Namespace problems in C/C++ .componentType files
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-155

Proposal is in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-156: Spec is unclear if callback binding names need to be distinct from forward binding names
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-156

Proposal is in JIRA

7. New Issues

ASSEMBLY 159: Align Test Assertion Document with latest Draft Assembly Spec
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-159

ASSEMBLY 160: Section 12 does not require an SCA Runtime to raise an error in all error situations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-160

8. Existing Issues without proposals

ASSEMBLY-132: Microsoft technical comment about the SCA Assembly Model specification #1
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-132

ASSEMBLY-149: Few comments from Siemens
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-149

ASSEMBLY 138: Assembly specification unclear on Contribution vs Deployment - when can errors in artifacts be reported?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-138

ASSEMBLY 139: What is a constrainingType file supposed to look like?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-139

ASSEMBLY 140: Need TAs and testcases for property/@file and property/@many=true
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-140

ASSEMBLY 142: Need a normative statement for @autowire inheritance
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-142

ASSEMBLY 143: There are no conformance statements in section 8.5 (CD03)
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-143

ASSEMBLY 145: Unmarked MUST on line 1030 (CD03)
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-145

ASSEMBLY-157: Make support for constrainingType an optional compliance point
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-157

ASSEMBLY 158: Composite property example contradicts spec definition
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-158

8. AOB

Minutes

Scribe: Eric Wells

Introduction

Roll call 17/26 - 65%

Agenda Bashing

No changes

Minutes from 27-Jul-09

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/33573/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202009-07-28.html

Resolution: Minutes of 27-Jul-09 approved w/o

Action items

None - Mike E asks for volunteers to take on open issues

Test Assertions and TestCases

Public Review draft has been voted and sent to TC Administration for external posting.
TC Administration.require RDDL files for new namespaces

AnishK:

Will look at updating the RDDL files

MikeE:

There are some new issues against Test Suite but didn't make todays agenda

...will add to next call

Existing Issues

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/33598/sca-assembly-1.1-spec-cd03-Rev2%2BIssue136v2.pdf
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/33597/sca-assembly-1.1-spec-cd03-Rev2%2BIssue136v2.doc

Message with proposal:

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200907/msg00091.html

ASSEMBLY 136: Promoting a reference with multiplicity 1..n and targets should default to 0..n

MikeE:

Describes latest proposal (linked above).

SimonN:

Propsal is quite different from previous proposal

...Questions on promotion of multiplicity

MikeE:

Covered in later sections

MikeE:

Continues reviewing changes

Tables describing the valid multiplicity combinations have been added

SimonN:

No details for defaults

...tables only seem to describe explicit values - nothing to say what happens if none specified

...we should explicitly describe defaults

MikeE:

Deliberately left these out as it makes the table too complex

<anish>

What we have and changes Mike/Simon are making are reasonable within the issue context, but taken overall this is getting to be over-engineered: override, promotion, defaults, cardinality, changes in cardinality as things are promoted/wired, wired-by-impl etc

SimonN:

Wording should be much more complex and at present rules for defaults and explicit are different

...these rules should be the same

AnishK:

This whole thing is getting to be too complicated

Additional issue(s) for wiredByImpl

Motion: Resolve ASSEMBLY-136 with proposal in E-mail m=MikeE s=NONE

Motion fails due to lack of second

SimonN:

Would like to add words to cover situations he's concerned with (defaults)

...Can't do this on-the-fly

Action: owner=SimonN Add wording to describe defaults for multiplicity promotion to ASSEMBLY-136 proposal

ASSEMBLY-80 Create an Event Processing Model for SCA

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-80

Directional proposal is in this email:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200906/msg00129.html

Continue discussions from previous meeting.

AnishK:

Should not block progress but appreciates concerns over delay etc.

...A parallel call would be a good place to address ASSEMBLY-80

ScottV:

Not sure that members will be able to find time for ANOTHER call

...would HAVE to be an official call so problems with quorum and/or voting status

JeffE:

Seems to be more EDA than SOA which is good but perhaps too big to do at present.

MartinC:

Charter isn't specific on this and would need official clarification if members dissagree.

MartinC:

Doesn't necessarily need to be full TC could be a subcommittee - Testing worked OK that way

i think it shou8ld be treated like a sc

MarkC:

Fall-out that impacts other TC's - Java-TC already has two calls per week.

sub-committees only make recoemmendations to the main tc, attendencs does not affect voting status

AnishK:

Issue is valid and we should address this - parallel calls seems best way.

Motion: The TC should hold parallel calls to address ASSEMBLY-80 (only) m=AnishK s=Khanderao

SimonN:

amends to make these parallel calls a Sub-committee call.

Motion: Additional calls should be Sub-Committee calls m=SimonN s=DannyvR

Discussion of amendment

JeffM:

Sub-committee's have no authority - main TC could reject all work done by SC

MartinC:

Testing was done by SC and that worked OK

SimonN:

Doesn't address resource issues though

why was SAP's name on the contribution?

Sanjay:

Agrees that this is getting into EDA and we should concentrate on SOA and get that published

why was tibcos name on the contribution....

EricW:

We should have a few calls to determine EXACTLY how much work is required.

Danny:

Have looked at this and there's a lot we dissagree with and it will take a lot of work to resolve

I was a participant in the eventing calls for some time, but was not participating for the last year or more

GilbertP:

Questions on how SC would work - separate issues or a single issue/document

it did not occur to me to review the to-be-published document, with an eye to removing my name

time out

Sanjay:

Seems that Charter is being used to force issue

JeffM:

Takes exception to that - submission was made in just same way as original OSOA spec.

Time expires

AOB

Straggler role - Sanjay, Gil, Jeff

No issues opened or resolved

COB 9:02 AM PDT

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- DRAFT -

OASIS SCA-Assembly TC

04 AUG 2009

Attendees

Present

Chairs

Scribe

Agenda:

Contents

Action Items

Resolutions

Minutes

Introduction

Action items

Test Assertions and TestCases

Existing Issues

ASSEMBLY 136: Promoting a reference with multiplicity 1..n and targets should default to 0..n

ASSEMBLY-80 Create an Event Processing Model for SCA

AOB

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