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Subject: Draft Minutes 2009-11-17/18 are attached
- From: Bob Freund <bob.freund@hitachisoftware.com>
- To: sca-assembly@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:57:39 -0500
Title: SCA-Assy - 2009-11-17
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- DRAFT -
OASIS SCA-Assembly TC
17 NOV 2009 - 18 NOV 2009
Present
| Mark Combellack |
Avaya, Inc. |
Group Member |
| Dale Moberg |
Axway Software* |
Group Member |
| Robert Freund |
Hitachi, Ltd. |
Group Member |
| Eric Wells |
Hitachi, Ltd. |
Group Member |
| Bryan Aupperle |
IBM |
Group Member |
| David Booz |
IBM |
Group Member |
| Graham Charters |
IBM |
Group Member |
| Mike Edwards |
IBM |
Group Member |
| Simon Holdsworth |
IBM |
Group Member |
| Diane Jordan |
IBM |
Group Member |
| Mike Kaiser |
IBM |
Group Member |
| Jeff Estefan |
Jet Propulsion Laboratory:* |
Group Member |
| Martin Chapman |
Oracle Corporation |
Group Member |
| Tim Gleason |
Oracle Corporation |
Group Member |
| Uday Joshi |
Oracle Corporation |
Group Member |
| Khanderao Kand |
Oracle Corporation |
Group Member |
| Anish Karmarkar |
Oracle Corporation |
Group Member |
| Nickolaos Kavantzas |
Oracle Corporation |
Group Member |
| Rich Levinson |
Oracle Corporation |
Group Member |
| Ashok Malhotra |
Oracle Corporation |
Group Member |
| Jonathan Maron |
Oracle Corporation |
Group Member |
| Jeff Mischkinsky |
Oracle Corporation |
Group Member |
| Gilbert Pilz |
Oracle Corporation |
Group Member |
| Aninda Sengupta |
Oracle Corporation |
Group Member |
| Tim Watson |
Oracle Corporation |
Group Member |
| Sanjay Patil |
SAP AG* |
Group Member |
| Plamen Pavlov |
SAP AG* |
Group Member |
| Sabin Ielceanu |
TIBCO Software Inc. |
Group Member |
| Danny van der Rijn |
TIBCO Software Inc. |
Group Member |
| Scott Vorthmann |
TIBCO Software Inc. |
Group Member |
Chairs
| Martin Chapman |
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| Mike Edwards |
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Scribe
Agenda:
1. Introductions
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing
2. Approval of minutes of previous SCA-Assembly TC meeting
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/35235/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202009-11-10.html3. Action Items
id=2009-11-03-1 status=pending Edwards to add a test assertion supporting Assembly-187
4. TC Administrivia
a) 1st Public Review of the Assembly Model spec ended June 23
Public comments list:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly-comment/ b). 1st Public Review of Test Assertions and TestCases ended October 17
c) Dates for Assembly F2F Meeting
December 1/2/3
Location: TIBCO, Bay Area, San Francisco.
0.5 day conclusion of SCA Assembly 1.1 specification
2.5 days Event Processing
5. New Issues (Spec)
ASSEMBLY-192: Wrong WS Binding Examples - Resending with a minor fix
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-192 6. Spec Existing Issues with Proposals
ASSEMBLY-188: element is not recognized by Assembly spec
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-188 Directional proposal in JIRA
ASSEMBLY-189: Allow intents to be associated with WSDL using a child element
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-189 Proposal in JIRA
ASSEMBLY-132: Microsoft technical comment about the SCA Assembly Model specification #1
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-132 Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200911/msg00002.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200911/msg00000.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200910/msg00047.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200910/msg00034.html Take a straw poll on the direction to take:
a) existing conformance requirements
OR
b) relaxed conformance requirements along the lines of Sanjay's proposal
ASSEMBLY-149: Few comments from Siemens
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-149 Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200910/msg00034.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200910/msg00033.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200910/msg00032.html 7. New Issues (Test)
ASSEMBLY 184: TestCase client - need to add capability for Test Bridge to check the actual error returned by the runtime.
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-184 ASSEMBLY 185: Artfacts for Testcases that have statically checkable errors must be placed into separate Contributions
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-185 ASSEMBLY 186: ASM_5023 - incorrect interfaces and referencename in TestComposite11.composite
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-186 ASSEMBLY 190: Problems with Assembly TestSuite Artifacts for ASM_9999, ASM_12003, ASM_12004, ASM_12005, ASM_12011 and Contribution2
contribution
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-190 ASSEMBLY 191: Problems with Assembly ASM_40xx, ASM_50xx ASM_60xx and ASM_80xx testcases
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-191 7. Test Suite Open Issues
ASSEMBLY 170: Errors in Artifacts for a set of testcases in ASM_120xx range
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-170 Proposal is in JIRA
ASSEMBLY 171: Problems with artifacts for a set of the TestCases for SCA Assembly
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-171 Proposal is in JIRA
ASSEMBLY 172: ASM-TA-5031 is not adequately tested by any TestCase in the Test Suite
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-172 ASSEMBLY 173: Errors in Test Artifacts for ASM_6022, ASM_5032, ASM_5016
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-173 Proposal is in JIRA
ASSEMBLY 175: Current Schema for Properties does not support value attribute- [ASM50027]
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-175 Proposal is in JIRA
ASSEMBLY 159: Align Test Assertion Document with latest Draft Assembly Spec
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-159 8. Existing Issues without proposals
ASSEMBLY 140: Need TAs and testcases for property/@file and property/@many=true
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-140Agenda:
1. Resume meeting/roll/agenda
2. Continue discussion
Towards the end of the last meeting, Mike Edwards enumerated 4 points (they are in the minutes).
Lets drill down on these.
Four concepts involved with Event Processing, different from service handling:1. Channels (a pub/sub mechanism)
2) Filters (the ability not to receive messages unless of a given nature)
3) Matching rules between Producer and Consumer (different from services)
4) Mapping of Artifact interfaces to Consumer and Producer
3. AOB
Action Items
- Pending:
- id=2009-11-03-1 status=pending Edwards to add a test assertion supporting Assembly-187
- New:
- id=2009-11-17-1 status=pending Edwards to produce a detailed proposal to implement the directional resolution to Assembly-188
- id=2009-11-17-2 status=pending Malhotra to produce a proposal for the resolution of Assembly-189
- id=2009-11-17-3 status=pending Patil to produce a new set of words for resolution to Assembly-132
Resolutions
- 2009-11-17-1: Minutes of 2009-11-10 approved w/o
- 2009-11-17-2: m:Booz s:Karmarkar Assembly-192 opened w/o
- 2009-11-17-3: m:Booz s:Combellack Resolve Assembly-192 with the proposal in Jira
- 2009-11-17-4: m:Booz s:Kand Resolve to agree to the directional proposal suggested in the Jira with the adition of the new requires element
that Policy generated
Minutes
Opening
Roll - quorate with 19 of 26 voting members present
Resolution: Minutes of 2009-11-10 approved w/o
Action Items
Action: id=2009-11-03-1 status=pending Edwards to add a test assertion supporting Assembly-187
Reminder face to dace meting Dec 1-3 at Tibco's location in the bay area
LOA Granted to Eric Johnsonw/o
New Issues relating to the spec
Booz represents Koenig's new issue
Resolution: m:Booz s:Karmarkar Assembly-192 opened w/o
Resolution: m:Booz s:Combellack Resolve Assembly-192 with the proposal in Jira
Spec Issues with Proposals
Booz:
I sent an email recently about this one , my email contains a link the policy set attachmnt a well as the resqures element
as a proposal for this issue
...this is a directional, not a specific proposal
<anish>
attributes are easier, but lack capabilities. Elements are slightly harder (few more <>), but have more capability. Allowing
both seems like having best of both worlds, but actually complicates things because now you have two ways of saying the same
thing
Motion: m:Booz s:Kand Resolve to agree to the directional proposal suggested in the Jira with the adition of the new requires element
that Policy generated
Resolution: m:Booz s:Kand Resolve to agree to the directional proposal suggested in the Jira with the adition of the new requires element
that Policy generated
Action: Edwards to produce a detailed proposal to implement the directional resolution to Assembly-188
<gilbert.pilz>
+1 - two ways are generally worse than one
Edwards:
Perhaps we ought to wait while policy resolves this and then do our bit.
...there is nor formal proposal at the moment and we seem to not be able to resolve it now
Action: Malhotra to produce a proposal for the resolution of Assembly-189
<anish>
what about optionality? Optionality of features in assembly that may not be supported in a particular language?
Action: Patil to produce a new set of words for resolution to Assembly-132
<jeff.mischkinsky>
i think if we don't require "out of the box" interop for SCA that will be the death knell for SCA
<Sanjay>
I also think that OASIS should think about providing a IP framework for derivative works (which is not generally applicable
to specs but is common for code e.g. test suite - a new territory for OASIS)
<jeff.mischkinsky>
sanjay -- i think the issue with that may be (IANAL and i haven't thought it through) requiring non OASIS members to do anything
<jeff.mischkinsky>
sanjay: the chair of the oasis ipr comm is on the call - how convenient
<jeff.mischkinsky>
and sad for bob ;-)
Eventing
Edwards reviews the four "concept" points in the agenda
Channels - a pub/sub mechanism
A producer is connected to a channel which is also connected to by consumers thus connecting a multiplexing mechansim
there is no specific producer to consumer connection
the set of producers and the consumers may change over time
<Mike Edwards>
I think that we're trying to run before we've got ourselves walking here
<anish>
i think, to enable that sort of usecase, discovery is key. And I'm not sure if we would come to an agreement wrt standardizing
a discovery mechanism. At least not in a reasonable timeframe. Perhaps we should take a step by step approach as suggested
by Mike (learn to walk before running).
Filters
services typically are not filtered, but that is expected in the case of eventing
matching rules
A consumer may match a subset, a superset or perhaps none of the events generated by a producer
matching of Artifact intercaces to consumer and Producer
Those mappings meed to be defined and may take different forms in the case of eventing
<Dale Moberg>
I plan to attend. Dale
<anish>
scott, will you be sending the tibco proposal in advance of the f2f?
<jeff.mischkinsky>
i will attend
<anish>
we should look at the W3C WSRA WG which is standardizing WS-Eventing for direction on this
<anish>
they are also worried about some of the same issues
Bob:
Yes, Anish we are :-)
AOB
Next meeting will be the face to face on Dec 1
[End of Minutes]
Formatted on 2009-11-18 at 14:56:10 GMT-5
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