Draft minutes of 2010-12-21 are attached

[Bob Freund <bob.freund@hitachisoftware.com>]

Title: SCA-Assy - 2010-12-21

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OASIS SCA-Assembly TC

21 DEC 2010

Attendees

Present

Robert Freund	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Eric Wells	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Mike Edwards	IBM	Group Member
Peter Niblett	IBM	Group Member
Jeff Estefan	Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*	Group Member
Martin Chapman	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Andreas Egloff	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Anish Karmarkar	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Rich Levinson	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Ashok Malhotra	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Gilbert Pilz	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Plamen Pavlov	SAP AG*	Group Member
Eric Johnson	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member

Chairs

Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards

Scribe

Bob Freund

Agenda:

1. Intro

Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing

2. Approval of minutes of previous SCA-Assembly TC meeting

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/40630/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202010-12-14.html

3. Action Items

id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
id=2010-12-07-2 status=doneJohnson to shake the trees on further comments relative to Assembly-235 and summarize the state of this issue
id=2010-12-07-3 status=pending Johnson to develop alternate proposals on the name of the element in the proposal for the resolution of Assembly-239
id=2010-12-14-1 status=done Edwards to send a note to Microsoft setting a response deadline

4. TC Administrivia

None

5. Open Issues (1.1)

ASSEMBLY-252: (v1.1): SCA Runtime Conformance Language & Normative References
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-252

Proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201011/msg00042.html

Latest news:
Siemens have responded that they have not used the 2 documents to write their own implementation type document so far.
Microsoft responded that they are "fairly certain that the 'SCA Implementation Type Documentation Requirements' document is an adequate and sufficient
guide for the future language/runtime developers when they attempt to author new SCA Implementation Type specs for their respective language/runtime.
Based on their experience using this document, they are actually quite pleased with the quality and the depth of it, and commend the Assembly TC for developing it."


6. New Issues (1.2)

None

7. 1.2 Specification Open Issues (1.2)

ASSEMBLY-250: Need an equivalent to "autowire" for the eventing world
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-250

Proposal in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-251: [1.2] There is a need to restrict the Cardinality of connections to Channels
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-251

Latest Discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00024.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00034.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00036.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00037.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00038.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00039.html




ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227

Proposal
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00044.html
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37273/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.pdf
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37272/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.doc

Latest discussions:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00023.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00022.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00021.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00020.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00019.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00017.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00016.html


ASSEMBLY-235: Remotable interface compatibility should not be restricted to a WSDL 1.1 mapping
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-235

Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00030.html

ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239

Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00033.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00035.html



ASSEMBLY-233: Define how Policy works for SCA Eventing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-233

No Proposal

ASSEMBLY-243: Is the default channel configurable?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-243

No proposal

ASSEMBLY-244: How to enable extensibility to multiple bindings on a channel
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-244

Outline proposal in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-245: Adopt the WS-RA Event Description specification to declare SCA Event Types
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-245

Proposal in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-246: Provide Location within SCA Contributions for eventType Declarations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-246

Proposal in JIRA


ASSEMBLY-247: What are the requirements on an SCA Binding for eventing purposes?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-247

No proposal

ASSEMBLY-248: RFC2119 wording and conformance statement need to be added for event processing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-248

No proposal


8. AOB

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Contents

Topics

[1]  Opening

[2]  Action Items

[3]  Administrivia

[4]  Open Issues on v1.1

[5]  ASSEMBLY-252: (v1.1): SCA Runtime Conformance Language & Normative References http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-252

[6]  Issues against v1.2

[7] 

[8]  ASSEMBLY-251: [1.2] There is a need to restrict the Cardinality of connections to Channels http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-251

Table of Resolutions

Table of Action Items

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Action Items

Done:

id=2010-12-07-3 status=done Johnson to develop alternate proposals on the name of the element in the proposal for the resolution of Assembly-239

id=2010-12-14-1 status=done Edwards to send a note to Microsoft setting a response deadline

Pending:

id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227

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Resolutions

• 2010-12-21-1: Minutes of 2010-12-14 approved w/o
• 2010-12-21-2: m:Martin s:Estefanto amend by adding and replace the text at 3. with The implementation MUST support at least one implementation type standardized by the OpenCSA Member Section or at least one implementation type that complies with the following rules: w/o
• 2010-12-21-3: Resolve Assembly-252 with the proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201011/msg00042.html with the correction of typos in section 3a and the removal of extra periods, and replace the text at 3. with "The implementation MUST support at least one implementation type standardized by the OpenCSA Member Section or at least one implementation type that complies with the following rules:" w/o
• 2010-12-21-4: m:Karmarkar s:Malhotra Close Assembly-251 with no action w/o

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Minutes

Scribe: Bob Freund

Opening

Roll - 13 of 18 voting members present

Agenda - agreed

Resolution: Minutes of 2010-12-14 approved w/o

Action Items

Action: id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227

Action: id=2010-12-07-3 status=done Johnson to develop alternate proposals on the name of the element in the proposal for the resolution of Assembly-239

Action: id=2010-12-14-1 status=done Edwards to send a note to Microsoft setting a response deadline

Administrivia

Reminder - no meeting next week

Open Issues on v1.1

ASSEMBLY-252: (v1.1): SCA Runtime Conformance Language & Normative References http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-252

Siemens reports that the documents look good however they have not used the documents in anger

Microsoft said that they approved in a carefully worded statement

Motion: m:Estefan Resolve Assembly-252 with the proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201011/msg00042.html with the correction of typos in section 3a and the removal of extra periods.

Motion: m:Estefan s:Freund Resolve Assembly-252 with the proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201011/msg00042.html with the correction of typos in section 3a and the removal of extra periods.

<anish>

this replaces 2 MUSTs with one

<Ashok (Oracle)>

Prefer the second formulation

<MartinC>

The implementation MUST support at least one implementation type standardized by the OpenCSA Member Section or at least one implementation type that complies with the following rules:

Motion: to amend by adding and replace the text at 3. with The implementation MUST support at least one implementation type standardized by the OpenCSA Member Section or at least one implementation type that complies with the following rules:

Resolution: m:Martin s:Estefanto amend by adding and replace the text at 3. with The implementation MUST support at least one implementation type standardized by the OpenCSA Member Section or at least one implementation type that complies with the following rules: w/o

Motion: as amended: Resolve Assembly-252 with the proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201011/msg00042.html with the correction of typos in section 3a and the removal of extra periods, and replace the text at 3. with The implementation MUST support at least one implementation type standardized by the OpenCSA Member Section or at least one implementation type that complies with the following rules:

Resolution: Resolve Assembly-252 with the proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201011/msg00042.html with the correction of typos in section 3a and the removal of extra periods, and replace the text at 3. with "The implementation MUST support at least one implementation type standardized by the OpenCSA Member Section or at least one implementation type that complies with the following rules:" w/o

Issues against v1.2

ASSEMBLY-251: [1.2] There is a need to restrict the Cardinality of connections to Channels http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-251

Johnson kicks off the discussion

<anish>

what if a producer produces an event in the forest and a consumer is around, but sticks his finger in his ears and says 'lala-lala-can't-hear-you' -- did the producer actually produce that event?

<anish>

are we heading towards CNA on this one? If so, there are only 5 mins left for a motion

Resolution: m:Karmarkar s:Malhotra Close Assembly-251 with no action w/o

Time gentlemen

adjourned

[End of Minutes]
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