Minutes of 2011-04-05 for Review

["Eric Wells" <eric.wells@hitachisoftware.com>]

All,

     My apologies I thought I sent these out last week - and sorry if your were inconvenienced by today’s “non-call”.

 

Best Regards,

                       Eric.

Eric Wells

Consulting Engineer

Hitachi Computer Products (America) Inc.

Cell: +1 415 672 2594

eric.wells@hitachisoftware.com

 

 

 

Title: SCA-Assembly - 2011-04-05



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Oasis SCA-Assembly Teleconference

05 APR 2011

Attendees

Present

Eric Wells	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Bryan Aupperle	IBM	Group Member
David Booz	IBM	Group Member
Mike Edwards	IBM	Group Member
Diane Jordan	IBM	Group Member
Mike Kaiser	IBM	Group Member
Peter Niblett	IBM	Group Member
Jim Marino	Individual	Group Member
Jeff Estefan	Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*	Group Member
Martin Chapman	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Anish Karmarkar	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Rich Levinson	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Ashok Malhotra	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Jeff Mischkinsky	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Gilbert Pilz	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Plamen Pavlov	SAP AG*	Group Member
Eric Johnson	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member
Danny van der Rijn	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member

Chairs

Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards

Scribe

Eric Wells

Agenda:

1. Intro

Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing

2. Approval of minutes of previous SCA-Assembly TC meeting

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/41666/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-03-29.html

3. Action Items

id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained in wsra

4. TC Administrivia

Need to cancel meeting of 12th April as both chairs involved in a F2F meeting.

5. Exit Criteria

The TC needs to adopt concrete exit criteria.

Consider how to move this forward


6 1.1 Specification Open Issues


ASSEMBLY 261: (v1.1) Upgrade ASM12017, ASM12030, ASM14004 be mandatory statements
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-261

Proposal in JIRA

Discussion here:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201104/msg00000.html


6. 1.2 Specification Open Issues (1.2)

ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239

Alternate proposals:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00039.html


6. New Issues (1.2)

ASSEMBLY-257: Global domain channels creation inconsistent with pattern established by definitions.xml
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-257

ASSEMBLY-258: Section 11 of spec should be marked non-normative
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-258

ASSEMBLY-259: Some way to "late bind" references to global domain channels
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-259


7. 1.2 Specification Open Issues (1.2)

ASSEMBLY-253: Add Autocreation of Channels to SCA Assembly 1.2
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-253

Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00056.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00055.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00054.html


ASSEMBLY-250: Need an equivalent to "autowire" for the eventing world
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-250

Proposal in JIRA
Follow on discussion from previous meeting

Latest discussion:

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00041.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00030.html


ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227

Proposal
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00044.html
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37273/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.pdf
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37272/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.doc

Latest discussions:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00023.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00022.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00021.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00020.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00019.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00017.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00016.html


ASSEMBLY-235: Remotable interface compatibility should not be restricted to a WSDL 1.1 mapping
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-235

Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00079.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00078.html


ASSEMBLY-233: Define how Policy works for SCA Eventing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-233

No Proposal

ASSEMBLY-243: Is the default channel configurable?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-243

No proposal

ASSEMBLY-244: How to enable extensibility to multiple bindings on a channel
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-244

Outline proposal in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-245: Adopt the WS-RA Event Description specification to declare SCA Event Types
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-245

Proposal in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-246: Provide Location within SCA Contributions for eventType Declarations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-246

Proposal in JIRA


ASSEMBLY-247: What are the requirements on an SCA Binding for eventing purposes?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-247

No proposal

ASSEMBLY-248: RFC2119 wording and conformance statement need to be added for event processing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-248

No proposal


8. AOB

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Contents

Topics

[1]  Opening

[2]  Approval of Minutes

[3]  Action Items

[4]  Administrivia

[5]  Exit Criteria

[6]  1.1 Open Issues

[7]  ASSEMBLY 261: (v1.1) Upgrade ASM12017, ASM12030, ASM14004 be mandatory statements

[8]  1.2 Open Issues

[9]  ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition

[10]  AOB

Table of Resolutions

Table of Action Items

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Action Items

Pending:

id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227

id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained in wsra

New:

id=2011-04-05-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Clean up references to Test Cases in spec (1.1 and 1.2 changes non-normative)

id=2011-04-05-2 status=pending owner="MikeE;" Raise issue for changes to TA & TC docs required by ASSEMBLY-260, etc

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Resolutions

• 2011-04-05-1: Minutes of 2011-03-29 approved w/o
• 2011-04-05-2: Meeting of 2011-04-12 cancelled w/o
• 2011-04-05-3: ASSEMBLY-261 is resolved with updated proposals for 12017, 14004 and original proposal for 12030 w/o

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Minutes

Scribe: Eric Wells

Opening

<MartinC >

is bob going to dial in from Aruba;-)

<Mike Edwards>

Are we going to hear the splashing of waves & the chink of glasses??

Roll call - 15/22 = 68%

Agenda accepted as posted

Approval of Minutes

Revised minutes from 2011-03-29

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/41666/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-03-29.html

Resolution: Minutes of 2011-03-29 approved w/o

Action Items

Action: id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227

Action: id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained in wsra

No changes to status

Administrivia

Chairs not available for 2011-04-12

Resolution: Meeting of 2011-04-12 cancelled w/o

MartinC:

Notes meeting of 2011-04-26 has also been cancelled

Exit Criteria

Not discussed

MikeE:

Encourages TC to discuss on E-mail list

1.1 Open Issues

ASSEMBLY 261: (v1.1) Upgrade ASM12017, ASM12030, ASM14004 be mandatory statements

Proposal in JIRA
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-261

Discussion here:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201104/msg00000.html

MartinC:

Reviews "service unavailable fault"

 

...reverses proposal for 12017

 

...without extensive review of impact on bindings (& subsequent revision) can't really be made mandatory

MikeE:

Java spec has a "service unavailable" exception, which could be used

MartinC:

But not available in other language specs, so not required

BryanA:

C/C++ spec is difficult to include specific faults for all clients

MikeE:

Observes a WSDL definition should be enough to completely specify

 

...not suggesting that this is done (for 1.1) but could be (for 1.2)

Updated proposal in JIRA

Changed proposals for 12017, 14004

MartinC:

Just need to remove last para of section 11.2

 

...This also removes 14003, which is incorrect

MikeE:

Section 11.1 & 14005 cover all situations anyway

MartinC:

Resolution for ASSEMBLY-260 (last meeting) also removes 14001 & 14002

 

...Section then just becomes explanitory (apart from 14005)

DannyV noted for roll

DannyV:

Would like Assembly spec to clearly specify fault even if language specs don't handle it

MartinC:

Could expand section 11 (later) but too much work to do a proper job for 1.1

Motion: Resolve ASSEMBLY-261 with updated proposal in JIRA (2nd for 12017, 14004) & remove last para of 11.2 14003 m=MartinC s=AnishK

EricJ:

12030 seems definitional rather than really normative

<Mike Edwards>

motion includes the original proposal for ASM12030

MartinC:

A SHOULD in 12030 makes no sense at all - upgrading to a MUST seemed more sensible

No further discussion - No objections

Resolution: ASSEMBLY-261 is resolved with updated proposals for 12017, 14004 and original proposal for 12030 w/o

<anish>

+1 to merging TAs and TCs

Discussion regarding impact on TA's & TC's

BryanA:

Do TA's, TC's and spec reference each other appropriately?

MikeE:

Not in current CD of spec

<anish>

the TC doc does reference the zip file in the related works section on the front page

Action: Clean up references to Test Cases in spec (1.1 and 1.2 changes non-normative) owner=Editors

Action: Raise issue for changes to TA & TC docs required by ASSEMBLY-260, etc owner=MikeE;

1.2 Open Issues

ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239

<anish>

don't we need peter for this issue?

PeterN:

Reviews the two alternate proposals

PeterN noted for roll

Alternate proposals:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00039.html

PeterN:

To summarize - do we want a "." in the name and do we need to allow more than one filter type?

 

...e.g. would we be ever go to XPath2 and want to do this without making any other changes

<MartinC >

TIME Gentlemen

EricJ:

Need directional guidance before making any progress

TIME GENTS

PeterN:

Please review for next meeting

MartinC:

Could Peter and/or Eric summarize to E-mail list

<Mike Edwards>

Many thanks for scribing Eric

AOB

Straggler Roll - DannyV JimM PeterN

Roll is at: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/event.php?event_id=30261

COB 9:02AM PDT

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