Raw Text Minutes from Bindings TC Meeting of 11th June 2009

[Mike Edwards <mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com>]

Agenda:

Introductions 
Roll call 
Scribe assignment 
Agenda bashing 

2. Approval of the minutes from
4th June 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32803/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202009-06-04.doc


3. Actions 

20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP
binding use cases 
20090528-1 [Mike Edwards] Raise
a PR issues against Policy intent algorithm point 7 to address the SOAP
1.1 defaulting use case 
20090528-2 [Anish Karmarkar] Produce
updated draft for BINDINGS-2 cleaning up protocol composition and making
sure all keywords are part of conformance statements 
20090604-1 [Editors] Publish updated
CD02 revisions using the agreed naming 
20090604-2 [Simon Nash] Persue
the inability to modify the latest URL 
20090604-3 [Editors] Update WS
binding spec conformance statement/tag linking to match Assembly/JMS 
20090604-4 [Editors] Produce diffs
and list of applied issues in each of the spec latest revisions 
20090604-5 [Simon Holdsworth] Produce
updated proposal for BINDINGS-74 and 75 inline in the documents. 

4. New Issues 

Please note, as per resolution
on 9th October 2008, new issues received on the mailing list after Noon
GMT 1st November can only be opened using the same voting rules as re-opening
a closed issue (2/3 majority of a full TC vote) 

No new issues 

5. Document naming 

Discuss Simon's proposed note to
Mary about document names and URLs 

6. CD review comments 

Discuss review comments on latest
CD revisions. 

Specifically requested: BWS40005,
BWS40006 and BWS40007 in sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.doc 

Also list of contributors - assume
all voting members, or ask individuals to confirm? 

7. Open Issue and PRD Schedule


Current CD03 candidates: 

Web Services: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32884/sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.doc

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32885/sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.pdf


JMS: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32635/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.doc

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32790/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.pdf


JCA: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32638/sca-binding-jca-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.doc

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32791/sca-binding-jca-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.pdf


Discuss resetting current schedule:


Must have issues resolved by April
16th 
Public review draft available for
TC comments April 23rd 
Public review draft vote April
30th 
Test assertions complete one month
beyond PRD, test cases one month after that. 

Issues with proposed resolutions:
4 
Issues with identified owner, no
resolution: 0 
Issues with no identified owner:
0 

Survey outlook for issues with
no proposed resolution (marked with * in this list) 

Anish Karmarkar: 2 (pri 2) 
Simon Holdsworth: 74 (pri 1), 75
(pri 1), 48 (pri 3) 

8. Open Issue Discussion 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-74

JMS and JCA binding conformance
section insufficient (JMS) 
Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner:
Simon Holdsworth 
Priority: 1 
Status: Proposed resolution in
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32854/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2-issue74.doc


http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-75

JMS and JCA binding conformance
section insufficient (JCA) 
Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner:
Simon Holdsworth 
Priority: 1 
Status: Proposed resolution in
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32853/sca-binding-jca-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2-issue75.doc

Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00036.html


http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-2

How should SCA callback semantics
be carried over Web Services? 
Raiser: Simon Nash, owner: Anish
Karmarkar 
Priority: 2 
Status: Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200905/msg00098.html


http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-48

How are mayProvide intents on bindings
satisfied 
Raiser: Ashok Malhotra, owner:
Simon Holdsworth 
Priority: 3 
Status: Proposed resolution: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200903/msg00005.html

Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200903/msg00059.html


9. AOB 

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Scribe: Mike Edwards

Item 1 Agenda Bashing
No changes

Item 2 Meeting Minutes
Minutes from 4th June
Accepted without change

Item 5 Document Naming
Email:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00032.html
Simon asks if the options presented
in that email are acceptable
Simon H: Yes, I am happy with them
Simon H: Do you intend us to republish
old specs with a new URI?
Simon N: Yes, so that folk will
have a full history in "new URI space"
Simon H: My preference is to leave
alone the stuff already published
Simon N: I could modify the proposal
so that only the new material goes under the new URIs
with redirects for the old stuff
Simon N: I'd strike the parenthetical
sentence from option #2 to make it consistent
Simon H: Option 2 would mean that
CD-01's latest link would not redirect and would point to itself always
Simon N: Option 2 means that the
existing stuff is cut loose
Anish: I want to confirm that is
what is going to happen
Anish: I don't like option 2 at
all

Simon N: So I need to say that
for option2 we would need to do updates to the redirects each time something
new is published

Item 6 CD Review Comments
ACTION: Anish to remove colon from
Web Service Binding CD02 Rev2 around conformance points BWS40005, BWS40006
and BWS40007

Question of list of contributors
- how should it be created?
Dave: On Policy & Assembly
we used the FULL member list to build the list and sent that out to the
list for approval

Item 3 Actions
20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP
binding use cases 
20090528-1 [Mike Edwards] Raise
a PR issues against Policy intent algorithm point 7 to address the SOAP
1.1 defaulting use case 
20090528-2 [Anish Karmarkar] Produce
updated draft for BINDINGS-2 cleaning up protocol composition and making
sure all keywords are part of conformance statements 
20090604-1 [Editors] Publish updated
CD02 revisions using the agreed naming
All outstanding
20090604-2 [Simon Nash] Persue
the inability to modify the latest URL
Complete
20090604-3 [Editors] Update WS
binding spec conformance statement/tag linking to match Assembly/JMS
Complete
20090604-4 [Editors] Produce diffs
and list of applied issues in each of the spec latest revisions
Complete
20090604-5 [Simon Holdsworth] Produce
updated proposal for BINDINGS-74 and 75 inline in the documents
Complete

Item 4 New Issues

Issue 76 binding.ws schema uses
##any instead of ##other
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-76
Dave B outlines the issue
Anish: Is it only in the spec or
is it in the schema files too?
Dave: It is in the schemas too,
but I have fixed versions ready to commit to the OASIS repository
Anish: Why are we specifying the
any here - it is in the base anyway
if this is an extension, it should
not be required

Dave B moves to open issue 76
Mike E seconds
Motion carried unanimously
Issue 76 is opened

Issue 77 binding.jms schema uses
<anyAttribute/> for schema attribute extensibility
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-77
Dave B moves to open Issue 77
Bryan seconds
Motion carried unanimously
Issue 77 is opened
Dave Booz CommonExtensionBase does
have attribute extensibility

Issue 78 binding.jca schema uses
##any instead of ##other
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-78
Dave B moves to open Issue 78
Eric seconds
Motion carried unanimously
Issue 78 is opened

anish so we should not have 'anyAttribute'
anywhere else


Issue 76 binding.ws schema uses
##any instead of ##other
Consideration of a resolution
Proposal:
Dave Booz: Remove lines 530-534,
538-539, 543 from  sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec-cd02-rev2.pdf

<discussion of the text description
of the any attribute and any element in the body of the spec text>

Simon H: I think this is getting
too complex for a quick resolution
Dave: Can we separate the fixes
to the schema from the changes to the text?
Eric: I think we should deal with
both the schema and the pseudo-schema in one issue
Anish: We don't describe the extensibilty
points in the other specs like Assembly
Simon Holdsworth: Three parts:
Simon Holdsworth: Schema update:
Remove lines 530-534, 538-539, 543 from CD02 rev2
Simon Holdsworth: Pseudo schema
update: Remove ... from attributes and binding.ws element
Simon Holdsworth: Pseudo schema
description update: Remove bullet describing @{any} and any children of
binding.ws

anish: it seems to me that we should
not use any/anyAttribute on abstract elements that are head of substitution
groups
anish thanks eric for noticing
this. now that I think about it, i had encountered a similar problem in
the past and had completely forgotten about it

Simon H: Take dicusssion about
a proposal to the mail list
Anish: Isn't this straightforward?
Simon H: We need to go thru details
and we don't have the time now

COB

Yours,  Mike.

Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
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