SCA Bindings Raw Minutes for 16 June 2011

[Mike Edwards <mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com>]

1. Opening 

Introductions 

Scribe assignment 

Top of the scribe list: 

Plamen Pavlov SAP AG 
Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited 
Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. 
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation 
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation 
Bryan Aupperle IBM 
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation 

Agenda bashing 

2. Approval of the minutes from 9 June:


http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/42491/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202011-06-09.doc


3. Actions 

20110519-01 [Simon Holdsworth] Look
into whether we need a testcase for the updated normative statement in
BJM60009 [following resolution of BINDINGS-157]. 

4. New Issues 

No new issues 

5. Open Issues 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-153

write new tests for TA-20021 TA-20022
TA-20028 TA-20032TA-20034 TA-20035 TA-40007 TA-50008 TA-50009 
Status: summary in email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201106/msg00041.html


http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-166

Section 6.4 contains optional normative
statements 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-167

WSCB has separate conformance points
in the Web services specification 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-168

BWS20034 & BWS20036 are optional
normative statements 

6. Potential new JMS binding testcase


Discuss potential new JMS binding testcase
as described in: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201105/msg00036.html


7. AOB
 
Scribe: Mike Edwards
anonymous morphed into anish1
Item 1 Agenda Bashing
no changes
Item 2 Approval of Minutes
Minutes of 9th June are approved
Item 3 Action Items
20110519-01 [Simon Holdsworth] Look
into whether we need a testcase for the updated normative statement in
BJM60009 [following resolution of BINDINGS-157].
DONE
Item 5 Open Issues
anish got to step away for a bit
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-153

write new tests for TA-20021 TA-20022
TA-20028 TA-20032TA-20034 TA-20035 TA-40007 TA-50008 TA-50009 
Status: summary in email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201106/msg00041.html
anish back
Simon review the email above
Anish agrees that the summary is good
Simon: Only Bindings 168 affects this
issue
Simon proposes to move on to look at
Bindings 168
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-168

BWS20034 & BWS20036 are optional
normative statements
Mike describes the issue and the proposal
in the JIRA
which is to make SOAP1_2 non-normative
Anish indicates that SOAP 1.2 support
is prevalent and widespread - so why not make it mandatory?
Bryan: The question is small device
situations?
Anish: Not much technical difference
between SOAP 1.2 and SOAP 1.1
Anish - we also require WS_Addressing
support, which is a bigger deal than SOAP 1.1
Bryan - I tend to agree with that argument
Anish moves to resolve Issue 168 by
replacing the SHOULD in both BWS20034 & BWS20036 with a MUST
Ashok seconds
Motion passes unanimoulsy
Issue 168 is resolved
Simon: The implication for Issue 153
is that we have 2 more mandatory statements that must be dealt with.
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-166

Section 6.4 contains optional normative
statements
Mike reviews the issue and the proposal
in JIRA to remove both normative statements
Anish: I agree with removal of the second
statement
Anish: If we remove the first one, then
it would be good to add a non-normative statement elsewhere in the spec
indicating that implementations can support the Callback Protocol
- although we could leave that for the
other issue (167) and deal with that point when we resolve that one
Mike moves to resolve Issue 166 with
the proposal in JIRA
Anish seconds
Motion passes unanimously
Issue 166 is resolved
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-167

WSCB has separate conformance points
in the Web services specification
Mike reviews the issue and the 2 alternative
proposals in the JIRA
- one to make WSCB mandatory
- one to remove WSCB entirely
Anish - I'm in favour of the second
option - a separate WSCB spec
Bryan - concern that our TC charter
may not allow a separate document
Anish - I don't see the difference
Mike - here is the section of the charter:
The following functions and mechanism
are considered as out-of-scope for the SCA Web Service Binding work:

Ensuring interoperability of SCA Web
Service Bindings that utilize existing WSDL documents and those that include
non standard WSDL extensions
Defining SCA binding metadata for non-WS-I
compliant Web services
Defining SCA binding metadata for non-SOAP
based Web services
Mapping of the WSDL type system with
other interface type systems such as Java interfaces
Metadata specific to implementation
of the services e.g. references to JAX-WS handlers to be invoked as part
of dispatching a service request
Support for SOAP intermediaries
Defining new wire-level protocols for
exchanging conversation identifiers and state. Conversation support may
be addressed by reference to existing web service standards.
Simon - I think the TC made a decision
not to have a separate spec and we'd need a special 2/3rds vote to overturn
that
<discussion of options for a way
forward>
Mike moves to close Issue 167 with no
action
Anish seconds
Mike: the notion here is that there
is, inside the Testcase Suite a full implementation of both the WSCB client
and the WSCB server, written as JAX-WS applications
Issue 167 is closed with no action
Simon: We as a TC need to decide our
Exit Criteria
Simon: Re Issue 153 we need to have
test artifacts for any new testcases that are required as part of any resolution
of the issue
COB

Yours, Mike

Dr Mike Edwards		Mail Point 137, Hursley Park
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Co-Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC
IBM Software Group
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