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Subject: Log of the 2008-02-14 telcon chat
anish: Scribe: Najeeb Andrabi
anish: ScribeNick: Najeeb Andrabi
Najeeb Andrabi: SCA-BPEL Weekly meeting has been modified by Dr. Anish
Karmarkar
Date: Thursday, 14 February 2008
Time: 08:00am - 09:00am PT
Event Description:
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Agenda:
1. Roll Call
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php
2. Appointment of scribe
Rotating list attached below
3. Agenda bashing
4. Approval of Feb 07, 2008 meeting minutes
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200802/msg00007.html
5. Action items review
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/action_items.php
#0021 chairs to follow up with Mary to post the CD docs to OASIS repository
#0024 Martin to write up a proposal for issue 15 (Define Conformance
Targets) http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-15
6. New Issues
7. Issue Discussion
a) Issue 2 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-2
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200802/msg00002.html
This issue was resolved last week, to consider this we either
reopen this issue (requires 2/3rd +1) or open a new issue.
b) Issue 1 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-1
TITLE: support for BPEL4WS 1.1
SUBMITTED BY: Martin Chapman
See thread starting at
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200801/msg00043.html
c)Issue 17 http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-17
TITLE: Allow Component Type side file to override defaults for
services and references
SUBMITTED BY: Anish Karmarkar
d) Issue 14 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-14
Title: Allow sca-aware processes to specify everything that can be
specified in a CT side file
Submitted by: Anish Karmarkar
e) Issue 15 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-15
TITLE: Define Conformance Targets
SUBMITTED BY: Martin Chapman
f) Issue 18 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-18
TITLE: Need to rewrite the SCA-BPEL specifications with RFC-2119
keywords/statements
SUBMITTED BY: KHANDERAO KAND
g) Issue 16 http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-16
TITLE: Ambigous Service Resolution
SUBMITTED BY: Dieter Koenig
8. AOB
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Rotating scribe list:
* Genov, Mr. Genadi; SAP AG
* Guizar, Alejandro; Red Hat
* Kinner, Mr. Jason; Oracle Corporation
* Levinson, Rich; Oracle Corporation
* Little, Dr. Mark; Red Hat
* Mischkinsky, Jeff; Oracle Corporation
* Andrabi, Mr. Najeeb; TIBCO Software Inc. (10/4/07)
* Barreto, Dr. Charlton; Adobe Systems (10/11/07)
* Pellegrini, Mr Michael; Active Endpoints, Inc. (10/18/07)
* Durand, Mr Jacques; Fujitsu Limited (11/1/07)
* Ford, Mr Mark; Active Endpoints, Inc. (11/8/07)
* Moser, Mr Simon; IBM (11/15/07)
* Malhotra, Mr Ashok; Oracle Corporation (11/29/07)
* van der Rijn, Danny; TIBCO Software Inc. (12/06/07)
* Trickovic, Mrs Ivana; SAP AG (1/27/0
* Chapman, Dr Martin; Oracle Corporation (9/7/07, 12/13/07)
* Koenig, Mr Dieter; IBM (10/25/07, 1/10/0
* Kand, Khanderao; Oracle Corporation (9/20/07, 1/31/0
* Rowley, Mr Michael; BEA Systems, Inc. (9/27/07, 2/07/0
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Najeeb Andrabi: Issue discussion.
Room information was updated by: charlton
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Najeeb Andrabi: Sanjay: Agend item for lack of issues for F2F meeting.
anish: Date: 14-feb-2008
anish: Date: 14-feb-2008
Najeeb Andrabi: Action item 21 to remain pending.
Najeeb Andrabi: Meetings approved unanimously
Najeeb Andrabi: Sanjay: Lack of issues but conformance test will be the
area that we might consider working on during F2F.
anish: Present+: Charlton Barreto
Present+: Michael Rowley
Present+: Jacques Durand
Present+: Mike Edwards
Present+: Dieter Koenig
Present+: Khanderao Kand
Present+: Anish Karmarkar
Present+: Ashok Malhotra
Present+: Sanjay Patil
Present+: Najeeb Andrabi
Present+: Danny van der Rijn
Najeeb Andrabi: Sanjay: Leave the F2F open and decide on meeting in March.
Najeeb Andrabi: Mike Edwards: Lot of people would be at they SCA
symposium so it might make sense to hold the F2F meeting.
Najeeb Andrabi: the
Najeeb Andrabi: Sanjay: Possibility of cancellation of F2F meeting
Najeeb Andrabi: Danny V: F2F discussion should move to e-mail.
Mike Edwards: If you plan a F2F meeting on some other date, I might not
make it
charlton: I think it makes sense to see how many people will be at the
F2F meeting. It isn't a trivial thing to arrange meetings at the F2F.
Najeeb Andrabi: Issue discussion
anish: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200802/msg00002.html
Najeeb Andrabi: Issue 2 was resolved.
Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: recommendation/best practice that the side file
be colocated with
the BPEL file, if possible.
Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: keep the spec as it is.
anish: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200801/msg00043.html
Najeeb Andrabi: Issue #1 discussion
anish: previous motion and ammendment --
anish: main motion: leave chapter 4 as-is and mark it as non-normative,
keep
chapter 4 in sync with the rest of the spec
amendment: If the work of keeping chapter 4 in sync is too onerous then
we remove chapter 4 (support for BPEL 1.1)
Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter: Decision to make the text non-normative was
based on BPEL 1.1 specification on being a standard.
Najeeb Andrabi: non-standard.
Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: Currently the chapter 4 is in sync. so
maintaining it currently is not an issue.
Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: we can address maintainability issue later.
Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter: Motion was primarily to change the BPEL 1.1 text
to non-normative.
Najeeb Andrabi: Danny V: moves to make the chapter 4 non-normative.
Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter seconds.
Najeeb Andrabi: Charlton B: BPEL 1.1. was not submitted to standards body.
Dieter Koenig: No - the WS-BPEL TC started with 1.1 and created 2.0
Najeeb Andrabi: Deiter: BPEL 1.1 was submitted to standards body but was
not output of the standards body.
Najeeb Andrabi: Ivana: There is not bar to submitting to W3C note or
member submission.
Najeeb Andrabi: Sanjay: There are IP implications as well
anish: Resoluton: issue 1 is resolved by the above motion
Najeeb Andrabi: issue 17 discussion
charlton: (Dieter, what I meant was that it was not the output - thanks
for the clarification)
anish: http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-17
Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter: Open this issue and resolve it in someway.
Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: issue is already open.
Dieter Koenig: (sorry - missed that somehow )
Mike Edwards: this is fraught with danger
Mike Edwards: hmm
Mike Edwards: very odd
Najeeb Andrabi: Sanjay: Main issues is whether the component type file
can override the implementation.
Mike Edwards: I agree with Michael Rowley
Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: Issue 17 is an assembly issue.
Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: We can be proactive and suggest a solution.
anish: Present+: Mrs. Ivana Trickovic
anish: Present+: Mr Simon Moser
anish: adjourned
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