[sca-bpel] Raw minutes form 2008-02-14 call

["Najeeb Andrabi" <nandrabi@tibco.com>]

Sanjay: I need to be away from my desk for next 20 mins or so.

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charlton: hellp

charlton: hello

anish: hi charlton

anish: meeting quotate: 53%

Mike Edwards: I'm on now....

anish: Scribe: Najeeb Andrabi

anish: ScribeNick: Najeeb Andrabi

Najeeb Andrabi: SCA-BPEL Weekly meeting has been modified by Dr. Anish Karmarkar

Date:  Thursday, 14 February 2008

Time:  08:00am - 09:00am PT

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Agenda:

1. Roll Call

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php

2. Appointment of scribe

Rotating list attached below

3. Agenda bashing

4. Approval of Feb 07, 2008 meeting minutes http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200802/msg00007.html

5. Action items review

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/action_items.php

#0021 chairs to follow up with Mary to post the CD docs to OASIS repository

#0024 Martin to write up a proposal for issue 15 (Define Conformance Targets) http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-15 

6. New Issues

7. Issue Discussion

  a) Issue 2 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-2

     http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200802/msg00002.html

     This issue was resolved last week, to consider this we either reopen this issue (requires 2/3rd +1) or open a new issue.

  b) Issue 1 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-1

     TITLE: support for BPEL4WS 1.1

     SUBMITTED BY: Martin Chapman

     See thread starting at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200801/msg00043.html

  c)Issue 17 http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-17

    TITLE: Allow Component Type side file to override defaults for services and references

    SUBMITTED BY: Anish Karmarkar

  d) Issue 14 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-14

     Title: Allow sca-aware processes to specify everything that can be specified in a CT side file

     Submitted by: Anish Karmarkar

  e) Issue 15 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-15

     TITLE: Define Conformance Targets

     SUBMITTED BY: Martin Chapman

  f) Issue 18 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-18

     TITLE: Need to rewrite the SCA-BPEL specifications with RFC-2119 keywords/statements

     SUBMITTED BY: KHANDERAO KAND 

  g) Issue 16 http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-16

     TITLE: Ambigous Service Resolution

     SUBMITTED BY: Dieter Koenig

8. AOB

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Rotating scribe list:

* Genov, Mr. Genadi; SAP AG

* Guizar, Alejandro; Red Hat

* Kinner, Mr. Jason; Oracle Corporation

* Levinson, Rich; Oracle Corporation

* Little, Dr. Mark; Red Hat

* Mischkinsky, Jeff; Oracle Corporation

* Andrabi, Mr. Najeeb; TIBCO Software Inc. (10/4/07)

* Barreto, Dr. Charlton; Adobe Systems (10/11/07)

* Pellegrini, Mr Michael; Active Endpoints, Inc. (10/18/07)

* Durand, Mr Jacques; Fujitsu Limited (11/1/07)

* Ford, Mr Mark; Active Endpoints, Inc. (11/8/07)

* Moser, Mr Simon; IBM (11/15/07)

* Malhotra, Mr Ashok; Oracle Corporation (11/29/07)

* van der Rijn, Danny; TIBCO Software Inc. (12/06/07)

* Trickovic, Mrs Ivana; SAP AG (1/27/0

* Chapman, Dr Martin; Oracle Corporation (9/7/07, 12/13/07)

* Koenig, Mr Dieter; IBM (10/25/07, 1/10/0

* Kand, Khanderao; Oracle Corporation (9/20/07, 1/31/0

* Rowley, Mr Michael; BEA Systems, Inc. (9/27/07, 2/07/0

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Najeeb Andrabi: Issue discussion.

Room information was updated by: charlton

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Najeeb Andrabi: Sanjay: Agend item for lack of issues for F2F meeting.

anish: Date: 14-feb-2008

Najeeb Andrabi: Action item 21 to remain pending.

Najeeb Andrabi: Meetings approved unanimously

Najeeb Andrabi: Sanjay: Lack of issues but conformance test will be the area that we might consider working on during F2F.

anish: Present+: Charlton Barreto

Present+: Michael Rowley

Present+: Jacques Durand

Present+: Mike Edwards

Present+: Dieter Koenig

Present+: Khanderao Kand

Present+: Anish Karmarkar

Present+: Ashok Malhotra

Present+: Sanjay Patil

Present+: Najeeb Andrabi

Present+: Danny van der Rijn

Najeeb Andrabi: Sanjay: Leave the F2F open and decide on meeting in March.

Najeeb Andrabi: Mike Edwards: Lot of people would be at they SCA symposium so it might make sense to hold the F2F meeting.

Najeeb Andrabi: the

Najeeb Andrabi: Sanjay: Possibility of cancellation of F2F meeting

Najeeb Andrabi: Danny V: F2F discussion should move to e-mail.

Mike Edwards: If you plan a F2F meeting on some other date, I might not make it

charlton: I think it makes sense to see how many people will be at the F2F meeting. It isn't a trivial thing to arrange meetings at the F2F. 

Najeeb Andrabi: Issue discussion

anish: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200802/msg00002.html 

Najeeb Andrabi: Issue 2 was resolved.

Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: recommendation/best practice that the side file be colocated with 

the BPEL file, if possible.

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: keep the spec as it is.

anish: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200801/msg00043.html

Najeeb Andrabi: Issue #1 discussion

anish: previous motion and ammendment --

anish: main motion: leave chapter 4 as-is and mark it as non-normative, keep 

chapter 4 in sync with the rest of the spec

amendment: If the work of keeping chapter 4 in sync is too onerous then 

we remove chapter 4 (support for BPEL 1.1)

Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter: Decision to make the text non-normative was based on BPEL 1.1 specification on being a standard.

Najeeb Andrabi: non-standard.

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: Currently the chapter 4 is in sync. so maintaining it currently is not an issue.

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: we can address maintainability issue later.

Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter: Motion was primarily to change the BPEL 1.1 text to non-normative.

Najeeb Andrabi: Danny V: moves to make the chapter 4 non-normative.

Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter seconds.

Najeeb Andrabi: Charlton B: BPEL 1.1. was not submitted to standards body.

Dieter Koenig: No - the WS-BPEL TC started with 1.1 and created 2.0

Najeeb Andrabi: Deiter: BPEL 1.1 was submitted to standards body but was not output of the standards body.

Najeeb Andrabi: Ivana: There is not bar to submitting to W3C note or member submission.

Najeeb Andrabi: Sanjay: There are IP implications as well

anish: Resoluton: issue 1 is resolved by the above motion

Najeeb Andrabi: issue 17 discussion

charlton: (Dieter, what I meant was that it was not the output - thanks for the clarification)

anish: http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-17

Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter: Open this issue and resolve it in someway. 

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: issue is already open.

Dieter Koenig: (sorry - missed that somehow  )

Mike Edwards: this is fraught with danger

Mike Edwards: hmm 

Mike Edwards: very odd

Najeeb Andrabi: Sanjay: Main issues is whether the component type file can override the implementation.

Mike Edwards: I agree with Michael Rowley

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: Issue 17 is an assembly issue.

Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: We can be proactive and suggest a solution.

anish: Present+: Mrs. Ivana Trickovic

anish: Present+: Mr Simon Moser

anish: adjourned