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Subject: Re: [sca-j] RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names


Mary,

Could you elaborate on why it is not required to own the domain? What 
happens if someone else does? Using a domain name that you don't own 
breaks the fundamental assumption in ensuring that there aren't any name 
clashes.

Thanks.

-Anish
--

Mary McRae wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> 
>  
> 
>   It is my understanding, from several sources, that it is not required 
> that we actually own the domain. The appeal itself was withdrawn so the 
> board has not rendered a decision. The TC Administrator decision is for 
> the TC to use oasisopen.org.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Mary
> 
>  
> 
> *From:* Mark Combellack [mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:35 AM
> *To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> *Cc:* sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org
> *Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
>  
> 
> I’ve been looking though all open issues for SCA-J TC and noticed that 
> we have not yet had any feedback on the appeal of the OASIS decision 
> regarding the SCA-J package name. As far as I can tell, last email on 
> this subject is the one below from you.
> 
>  
> 
> I was wondering if there has been any further progress on this issue. If 
> there has not, could I get you to check with OASIS IT to see if they 
> have made any progress.
> 
>  
> 
> For your information, we are having our face to face meeting next week 
> and would love to be able to make a final decision on package naming at 
> this meeting.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> 
>  
> 
> Mark
> 
> Mark Combellack| Software Developer| Avaya | Eastern Business Park | St. 
> Mellons | Cardiff | CF3 5EA | Voice: +44 (0) 29 2081 7624 | 
> mcombellack@avaya.com <mailto:|mcombellack@avaya.com>
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> *From:* Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary McRae
> *Sent:* 20 May 2008 15:15
> *To:* 'Simon Nash'
> *Cc:* Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; 
> booz@us.ibm.com; eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org; jmarino@bea.com; 
> martin.chapman@oracle.com; 'Mary McRae'; mbgl@us.ibm.com; Mark 
> Combellack; mrowley@bea.com
> *Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks Simon,
> 
>  
> 
>   I’ve forwarded the request to OASIS IT – I will keep you posted.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Mary
> 
>  
> 
> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:42 AM
> *To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> *Cc:* Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; 
> booz@us.ibm.com; eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org; jmarino@bea.com; 
> martin.chapman@oracle.com; Mary McRae; mbgl@us.ibm.com; 
> mcombellack@avaya.com; mrowley@bea.com
> *Subject:* Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Mary,
> My apologies for the delay in getting back to you.  The sca-j TC 
> discussed this at our last meeting and passed the following motion:
> 
> "The sca-j TC supports the use of the package prefix org.oasisopen, 
> assuming that the oasisopen.org domain is acquired by OASIS."
> 
> If this is acceptable to OASIS, please can you contact the current owner 
> of oasisopen.org and come back to us when you know whether it is 
> possible to agree terms for OASIS to acquire this domain.
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
>     Simon
> 
> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
> Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
> 
> *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
> Sent by: marypmcrae@gmail.com
> 
> 20/05/2008 14:11
> 
> Please respond to
> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> 
> 	
> 
> To
> 
> 	
> 
> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB
> 
> cc
> 
> 	
> 
> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, booz@us.ibm.com, 
> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, 
> martin.chapman@oracle.com, "Mary McRae" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, 
> mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com
> 
> Subject
> 
> 	
> 
> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 	
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
>  Any update on this issue?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mary
> 
> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Mary McRae <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org 
> <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>> wrote:
> Yes – oasisopen.org <http://oasisopen.org/> appears to be owned by 
> someone just sitting on the domain – if it's agreeable we can look into 
> what it would take to purchase it if that's absolutely required. 
> Conversely, oasis.org <http://oasis.org/> is a live site – a gift/trade 
> show, which is not an acceptable solution.
> 
>  
> 
> Mary
> 
>  
> 
> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com <mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com>] *
> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 3:12 PM*
> To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
> Cc:* Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>; 
> ashok.malhotra@oracle.com <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>; 
> booz@us.ibm.com <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>; 
> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org 
> <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>; jmarino@bea.com 
> <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>; martin.chapman@oracle.com 
> <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>; Mary McRae; mbgl@us.ibm.com 
> <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>; mcombellack@avaya.com 
> <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>; mrowley@bea.com <mailto:mrowley@bea.com>
> 
> *
> Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Mary,
> The domain oasisopen.org <http://oasisopen.org/> is already owned by 
> someone else, as is the domain oasis.org <http://oasis.org/>.  If OASIS 
> is willing to offer the prefix org.oasisopen despite not having 
> ownership of oasisopen.org <http://oasisopen.org/>, would OASIS be 
> willing to offer the prefix org.oasis?  It would seem inconsistent to 
> offer one of these but not the other.
> 
> The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org <http://oasisj.org/> 
> domain is currently unowned and therefore available for acquisition by 
> OASIS.  If this is not a constraint, my personal preference would be 
> org.oasis.  In expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and 
> not on behalf of the TC.
> 
>    Simon
> 
> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
> Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
> 
> *"Mary McRae" <**mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org* 
> <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*>*
> Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com>>
> 
> 02/05/2008 19:49
> 
>  
> 
> Please respond to
> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>>
> 
> 	
> 
>  
> 
> To
> 
> 	
> 
> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org 
> <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>>
> 
> cc
> 
> 	
> 
> <mbgl@us.ibm.com <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>>, <booz@us.ibm.com 
> <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com 
> <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>>, <mcombellack@avaya.com 
> <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>>, <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com 
> <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>>, <jmarino@bea.com 
> <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>>, <mrowley@bea.com <mailto:mrowley@bea.com>>, 
> <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>>
> 
> Subject
> 
> 	
> 
> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
> 
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> 
> 
> Hi all,
>  
>  My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been at 
> the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and 
> literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike 
> Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use of 
> the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all agree 
> that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit them. I 
> asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be acceptable 
> and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. org.oasisopen.csa.  
>  
>  Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this 
> conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Mary
>  *
> From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com <mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com>] *
> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM*
> To:* eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org 
> <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>*
> Cc:* mbgl@us.ibm.com <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>; booz@us.ibm.com 
> <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>; martin.chapman@oracle.com 
> <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>; mcombellack@avaya.com 
> <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>; Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com 
> <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>; jmarino@bea.com 
> <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>; mrowley@bea.com <mailto:mrowley@bea.com>; 
> ashok.malhotra@oracle.com <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>; 
> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
> Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>  
> 
> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal 
> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]).  This appeal is 
> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by 
> the OASIS TC Process.  In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its 
> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
> 
> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
> 
> TECHNICAL
> 
> (Summary)
> 
> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming 
> conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be liked by 
> Java developers.
> 
> (Detail)
> 
> The decision comes in two parts.
> 
> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from 
> "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by OASIS.
> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by 
> the SCA-J TC.
> 
> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision.  The SCA-J TC 
> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name prefix 
> of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
> 
> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java 
> naming conventions.  Specifically, the use of an underscore in package 
> names is highly unusual and unconventional.
> 
> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. 
>  When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot 
> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext".  When typing these 
> APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered.  Both 
> of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
> 
> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name 
> prefix would not be liked by Java developers.  Specifically, package 
> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package names 
> in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
> 
> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the 
> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third Edition, 
> section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org <http://oasis-open.org/>" domain 
> name.  In order to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package 
> prefix would need to be derived from some other domain name.  The SCA-J 
> TC discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix 
> to OASIS as being suitable and acceptable.  This would require that 
> OASIS acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
> 
> PROCEDURAL
> 
> (Summary)
> 
> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier 
> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite 
> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
> 
> (Detail)
> 
> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]).  She sent a 
> decision on March 7 (ref.[3])  On March 10 she asked us to hold off from 
> implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of questions to 
> be answered (ref. [4]).
> 
> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS 
> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. 
>  She did not respond.  On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6]) 
> repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC.  Again, she did not 
> respond.
> 
> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that 
> completely reversed the original decision.  There had been no 
> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my 
> two invitations to have this discussion.  She also indicated that the 
> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could 
> only be changed by formal appeal.
> 
> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons 
> stated above.
> 
> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), with 
> a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and asking if 
> we could resolve this without need for an appeal.  She acknowledged the 
> email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days.  She 
> has not done so.
> 
> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC 
> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution 
> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
> 
> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
> 
>   Simon Nash    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>   Michael Rowley    BEA Systems, Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>   Michael Beisiegel    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>   David Booz    IBM    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>   Mark Combellack    Avaya Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>   Martin Chapman    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>   Jim Marino    BEA Systems, Inc.    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>   Anish Karmarkar    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>   Ashok Malhotra    Oracle Corporation    OASIS SCA-J TC Member
> 
> 
> REFERENCES
> 
> [1] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html 
> 
> [2] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html 
> 
> [3] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html 
> 
> [4] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html 
> 
> [5] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html 
> 
> [6] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html 
> 
> [7] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html 
> 
> [8] 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html 
> 
> 
> 
> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
> Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
> 
>  
> 
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> 
>  
> 
> /Unless stated otherwise above:
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> 741598.
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>  
> 
> /Unless stated otherwise above:
> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 
> 741598.
> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mary P McRae
> Manager of TC Administration, OASIS_
> _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
> voip: 603.232.9090
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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> 
> /Unless stated otherwise above:
> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 
> 741598.
> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/
> 
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